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Disease diagnosis in horses involves the identification and characterization of illnesses through various diagnostic methods and tools. This process is essential for effective veterinary care and management of equine health. Techniques used in diagnosing diseases in horses include clinical examinations, laboratory tests, imaging modalities such as ultrasonography and radiography, and molecular diagnostics. Blood tests are frequently utilized to assess parameters such as complete blood count and biochemical profiles, which can indicate underlying health issues. Additionally, advancements in genetic testing and biomarker identification have enhanced the ability to detect specific diseases early. This page aggregates peer-reviewed research studies and scholarly articles that explore diagnostic methodologies, their applications, and their impact on equine health management.
Fatal pulmonary hemorrhage associated with RTX toxin producing Actinobacillus equuli subspecies haemolyticus infection in an adult horse. Pusterla N, Jones ME, Mohr FC, Higgins JK, Mapes S, Jang SS, Samitz EM, Byrne BA.A case of fatal pulmonary hemorrhage in a 6-year-old American Paint mare with a 2-week history of intermittent coughing, fever, and epistaxis is described. Significant macroscopic abnormalities at postmortem examination were restricted to the respiratory system, and microscopically, severe pulmonary hemorrhage with suppurative bronchopneumonia was found. Actinobacillus equuli subsp. haemolyticus was cultured from a transtracheal wash performed antemortem as well as from the lungs at necropsy. The presence of airway-associated hemorrhage in conjunction with bacterial bronchopneumonia suggested ...
Insulins in equine urine: qualitative analysis by immunoaffinity purification and liquid chromatography/tandem mass spectrometry for doping control purposes in horse-racing.
Rapid communications in mass spectrometry : RCM    January 9, 2008   Volume 22, Issue 3 355-362 doi: 10.1002/rcm.3360
Kuuranne T, Thomas A, Leinonen A, Delahaut P, Bosseloir A, Schänzer W, Thevis M.Insulin is a peptide hormone consisting of two peptide chains (A- and B-chain) that are cross-linked by two disulfide bonds. To obtain improved pharmacokinetic onset of action profiles of insulin treatment in diabetic patients, recombinant long-, intermediate-, and rapid-acting insulin analogs are produced, in which the C-terminal end of the B-chain plays an especially important role.A review of the veterinary literature reveals the low prevalence of equine type I diabetes mellitus, which indicates that the therapeutic use of insulin in racing horses is unlikely. Although there is no unequivoc...
A nodular granulomatous posthitis caused by Halicephalobus sp. in a horse.
Veterinary dermatology    January 8, 2008   Volume 19, Issue 1 44-48 doi: 10.1111/j.1365-3164.2007.00643.x
Muller S, Grzybowski M, Sager H, Bornand V, Brehm W.This report describes a case of nodular posthitis caused by Halicephalobus gingivalis in a 24-year-old warmblood horse. Macroscopic examination revealed a multinodular, partially ulcerated mass on the external lamina of the prepuce. Nematode migration from unfixed biopsy material in phosphate-buffered saline revealed adult nematodes with the typical morphological features of H. gingivalis: distinctive rhabditiform oesophagus with corpus, isthmus and bulb and the dorsoflexed ovary. The main histopathological features consisted of submucosal confluent granulomatous foci containing cross- and tan...
Equine laminitis: membrane type matrix metalloproteinase-1 (MMP-14) is involved in acute phase onset.
Equine veterinary journal    January 8, 2008   Volume 40, Issue 5 482-487 doi: 10.2746/042516408X270353
Kyaw-Tanner MT, Wattle O, van Eps AW, Pollitt CC.Enzymatic separation at the hoof lamellar dermal-epidermal interface may play a role in the development of laminitis and characterising and locating matrix metalloproteinases (MMPs) and their inhibitors (tissue inhibitors of MMPs or TIMPs) in lamellar tissues may further understanding of pathogenesis. Objective: To clone and sequence the cDNA encoding lamellar MMP-14 and TIMP-2, and quantify their transcription in normal and laminitic tissue; and to develop antibody to locate MMP-14 in lamellar tissues. Methods: Tissue samples were obtained from an oligofructose induced model of laminitis. Tot...
Streptococcus henryi sp. nov. and Streptococcus caballi sp. nov., isolated from the hindgut of horses with oligofructose-induced laminitis.
International journal of systematic and evolutionary microbiology    January 8, 2008   Volume 58, Issue Pt 1 262-266 doi: 10.1099/ijs.0.65063-0
Milinovich GJ, Burrell PC, Pollitt CC, Bouvet A, Trott DJ.Four Gram-positive, catalase-negative, coccoid-shaped isolates were obtained from the caecum and rectum of horses with oligofructose-induced equine laminitis. Phenotypic and phylogenetic studies were performed on these isolates. Initial biochemical profiling assigned two of the isolates to Streptococcus bovis. The other two isolates, however, could not be assigned conclusively on the basis of their biochemical profiles. Gene sequence analysis demonstrated that the four new isolates were related most closely to Streptococcus suis based on the 16S rRNA gene and to Streptococcus orisratti based o...
Cystic echinococcosis in equids in Italy.
Parasitology research    January 6, 2008   Volume 102, Issue 4 815-818 doi: 10.1007/s00436-007-0862-7
Varcasia A, Garippa G, Pipia AP, Scala A, Brianti E, Giannetto S, Battelli G, Poglayen G, Micagni G.Between March 2003 and February 2007, the livers and the lungs of 2,231 horses from various Italian regions were examined for cystic echinococcosis presence at the time of slaughter. Hydatid cysts were found in six horses, namely four from Sardinia, one from Sicily, and one from Tuscany. The location, number, morphology, and fertility of the cysts found were determined. DNA was extracted from the germinal layers and protoscoleces of the fertile cysts and polymerase chain reactions (PCR) were performed in order to strain type DNA isolates for reduced nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide dehydrogen...
Retrospective study of palmar/plantar annular ligament injury in 71 horses: 2001-2006.
Equine veterinary journal    January 4, 2008   Volume 40, Issue 3 237-244 doi: 10.2746/042516408X271217
Owen KR, Dyson SJ, Parkin TD, Singer ER, Kristoffersen M, Mair TS.Constriction of the digital flexor tendon sheath (DFTS) and its contents by the palmar/plantar annular ligament (PAL) is well recognised. However, primary injury of the PAL has not been well documented. Objective: To describe the clinical features of PAL injury, determine its prevalence with or without subcutaneous fibrosis and/or concurrent injury within the DFTS, and assess response to treatment. Methods: Horses were selected for inclusion based upon clinical features consistent with PAL injury and the presence of a thickened PAL (> or =2 mm) verified ultrasonographically. A retrospective...
In vitro efficacy of an ophthalmic drug combination against corneal pathogens of horses.
American journal of veterinary research    January 3, 2008   Volume 69, Issue 1 101-107 doi: 10.2460/ajvr.69.1.101
Scotty NC, Brooks DE, Schuman Rose CD.To evaluate the in vitro efficacy of an ophthalmic drug combination against common corneal pathogens of horses. Methods: Representative isolates of 3 bacterial and 2 fungal corneal pathogens of horses. Methods: Pathogens were subjected to minimum inhibitory concentration (MIC) testing of a drug combination that consisted of equal volumes of natamycin 3.33%, tobramycin 0.3%, cefazolin 5.5%, and equine serum. Proteinase inhibitory activity of the drug combination was assessed by use of a fluorescence microplate assay with gelatin and collagen I as substrates. The MICs of the drug combination wer...
Effects of hyperbaric oxygen on full-thickness meshed sheet skin grafts applied to fresh and granulating wounds in horses.
American journal of veterinary research    January 3, 2008   Volume 69, Issue 1 144-147 doi: 10.2460/ajvr.69.1.144
Holder TE, Schumacher J, Donnell RL, Rohrbach BW, Adair HS.To determine the effects of hyperbaric oxygen therapy (HBOT) on full-thickness skin grafts applied to fresh and granulating wounds of horses. Methods: 6 horses. Methods: On day 0, two 4-cm-diameter circular sections of full-thickness skin were removed from each of 2 randomly selected limbs of each horse, and two 4-cm-diameter circular skin grafts were harvested from the pectoral region. A skin graft was applied to 1 randomly selected wound on each limb, leaving the 2 nongrafted wounds to heal by second intention. On day 7, 2 grafts were harvested from the pectoral region and applied to the gra...
Effects of systemic inflammation on insulin sensitivity in horses and inflammatory cytokine expression in adipose tissue.
American journal of veterinary research    January 3, 2008   Volume 69, Issue 1 130-139 doi: 10.2460/ajvr.69.1.130
Vick MM, Murphy BA, Sessions DR, Reedy SE, Kennedy EL, Horohov DW, Cook RF, Fitzgerald BP.To determine whether an inflammatory challenge induces insulin resistance in horses and examine possible contributions of adipose tissue to inflammatory cytokine production. Methods: 15 adult mares. Methods: Lipopolysaccharide (0.045 mug/kg, IV) or saline solution was administered, and insulin sensitivity was determined by means of the hyperinsulinemic, euglycemic clamp procedure or an adipose tissue biopsy was performed. Adipose tissue samples were collected, and mature adipocytes were obtained. Mature adipocytes were stimulated with lipopolysaccharide or dedifferentiated into preadipocytes a...
Effects of an intravenous endotoxin challenge on glucose and insulin dynamics in horses.
American journal of veterinary research    January 3, 2008   Volume 69, Issue 1 82-88 doi: 10.2460/ajvr.69.1.82
Tóth F, Frank N, Elliott SB, Geor RJ, Boston RC.To evaluate the effects of endotoxin administered IV on glucose and insulin dynamics in horses. Methods: 16 healthy adult mares. Methods: Each week of a 2-week randomized crossover study, each horse received an IV injection (duration, 30 minutes) of Escherichia coli O55:B5 lipopolysaccharide (LPS) in 60 mL of sterile saline (0.9% NaCl) solution (20 ng/kg) or sterile saline solution alone (control treatment). Frequently sampled IV glucose tolerance test procedures were performed at 24 hours before (baseline) and 24 and 48 hours after injection; glucose and insulin dynamics were assessed via min...
Hypertension and insulin resistance in a mixed-breed population of ponies predisposed to laminitis.
American journal of veterinary research    January 3, 2008   Volume 69, Issue 1 122-129 doi: 10.2460/ajvr.69.1.122
Bailey SR, Habershon-Butcher JL, Ransom KJ, Elliott J, Menzies-Gow NJ.To determine the metabolic phenotype of a group of laminitis-prone ponies when at pasture in summer, compared with when at pasture in winter. Methods: 40 ponies of various breeds predisposed to recurrent pasture-associated laminitis and 40 unaffected control ponies. Methods: Body condition score and size of the crest of the neck were assessed, blood samples obtained, and blood pressure measured by use of an indirect oscillometric technique, while ponies were kept on winter pasture (last week of November or beginning of December) and again on summer pasture (June). Serum insulin concentration a...
Early migration of Sarcocystis neurona in ponies fed sporocysts.
The Journal of parasitology    January 1, 2008   Volume 93, Issue 5 1222-1225 doi: 10.1645/GE-497R.1
Elitsur E, Marsh AE, Reed SM, Dubey JP, Oglesbee MJ, Murphy JE, Saville WJ.Sarcocystis neurona is the most important cause of equine protozoal myeloencephalitis (EPM), a neurologic disease of the horse. In the present work, the kinetics of S. neurona invasion is determined in the equine model. Six ponies were orally inoculated with 250 x 10(6) S. neurona sporocysts via nasogastric intubation and killed on days 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, and 9 postinoculation (PI). At necropsy, tissue samples were examined for S. neurona infection. The parasite was isolated from the mesenteric lymph nodes at 1, 2, and 7 days PI; the liver at 2, 5, and 7 days PI; and the lungs at 5, 7, and 9 days ...
Incidence of osteochondrosis (dissecans) in Dutch warmblood horses presented for pre-purchase examination.
Irish veterinary journal    January 1, 2008   Volume 61, Issue 1 33-37 doi: 10.1186/2046-0481-61-1-33
Vos NJ.Data are lacking in the literature regarding the incidence of osteochondrosis (dissecans) [OC(D)] in relation to lameness evaluation in Dutch Warmblood horses. The objective of this retrospective study was to assess the incidence of radiological abnormalities consistent with osteochondrosis or osteochondrosis dissecans in 1,231 sound Dutch Warmblood (DW) horses presented for pre-purchase examination. Standardised (Dutch) pre-purchase examination protocols were evaluated. The pre-purchase examination included a clinical, lameness and radiological evaluation, performed at a private equine clinic...
Joint dependent concentrations of bone alkaline phosphatase in serum and synovial fluids of horses with osteochondral injury: an analytical and clinical validation.
Osteoarthritis and cartilage    December 26, 2007   Volume 16, Issue 7 779-786 doi: 10.1016/j.joca.2007.11.008
Trumble TN, Brown MP, Merritt KA, Billinghurst RC.Validate use of a commercially available immunoassay for measurement of bone alkaline phosphatase (BAP) in equine serum and synovial fluid (SF), and investigate the effects of osteochondral (OC) injury in horses on BAP concentrations in serum and SF. Methods: SF was collected from 37 joints of 34 Thoroughbred (TB) racehorses undergoing arthroscopic surgery for the removal of OC fragments from either the carpal joints (n=18) or the metacarpo-/metatarsophalangeal (MP) joints (n=19). SF was also obtained from 52 joints of 16 normal TB horses, collected bilaterally from carpal joints of 10 horses ...
Partial divergence of cytokine mRNA expression in bronchial tissues compared to bronchoalveolar lavage cells in horses with recurrent airway obstruction.
Veterinary immunology and immunopathology    December 24, 2007   Volume 122, Issue 3-4 256-264 doi: 10.1016/j.vetimm.2007.12.001
Riihimäki M, Raine A, Art T, Lekeux P, Couëtil L, Pringle J.The aim of this study was to investigate mRNA levels of cytokines in bronchial epithelium in horses with recurrent airway obstruction (RAO) during acute crisis and remission. Additionally, cytokine mRNA levels in endobronchial biopsies and bronchoalveolar lavage (BAL) cells were compared. Seven RAO horses were examined while in respiratory crisis following provocation and again while in remission after 2 months on pasture, during which time six healthy horses on pasture were also examined. Quantitative real-time PCR (RT-PCR) was used to assess mRNA expression for cytokines IL-5, IL-6, IL-8, IL...
Brown-headed cowbirds (Molothrus ater) harbor Sarcocystis neurona and act as intermediate hosts.
Veterinary parasitology    December 23, 2007   Volume 153, Issue 1-2 24-43 doi: 10.1016/j.vetpar.2007.12.016
Mansfield LS, Mehler S, Nelson K, Elsheikha HM, Murphy AJ, Knust B, Tanhauser SM, Gearhart PM, Rossano MG, Bowman DD, Schott HC, Patterson JS.We tested the hypothesis that brown-headed cowbirds (Molothrus ater) harbor Sarcocystis neurona, the agent of equine protozoal myeloencephalitis (EPM), and act as intermediate hosts for this parasite. In summer 1999, wild caught brown-headed cowbirds were collected and necropsied to determine infection rate with Sarcocystis spp. by macroscopic inspection. Seven of 381 (1.8%) birds had grossly visible sarcocysts in leg muscles with none in breast muscles. Histopathology revealed two classes of sarcocysts in leg muscles, thin-walled and thick-walled suggesting two species. Electron microscopy sh...
Virus recovery rates for wild-type and live-attenuated vaccine strains of African horse sickness virus serotype 7 in orally infected South African Culicoides species.
Medical and veterinary entomology    December 21, 2007   Volume 21, Issue 4 377-383 doi: 10.1111/j.1365-2915.2007.00706.x
Venter GJ, Paweska JT.Previously reported virus recovery rates from Culicoides (Avaritia) imicola Kieffer and Culicoides (Avaritia) bolitinos Meiswinkel (Diptera, Ceratopogonidae) orally infected with vaccine strain of African horse sickness virus serotype 7 (AHSV-7) were compared with results obtained from concurrently conducted oral infections with five recent AHSV-7 isolates from naturally infected horses from various localities in South Africa. Culicoides were fed sheep bloods spiked with 10(7.6) TCID(50)/mL of a live-attenuated vaccine strain AHSV-7, and with five field isolates in which virus titre in the blo...
Rickettsia infection in five areas of the state of São Paulo, Brazil.
Memorias do Instituto Oswaldo Cruz    December 21, 2007   Volume 102, Issue 7 793-801 doi: 10.1590/s0074-02762007000700003
Horta MC, Labruna MB, Pinter A, Linardi PM, Schumaker TT.This study investigated rickettsial infection in animals, humans, ticks, and fleas collected in five areas of the state of São Paulo. Eight flea species (Adoratopsylla antiquorum antiquorum, Ctenocephalides felis felis, Polygenis atopus, Polygenis rimatus, Polygenis roberti roberti, Polygenis tripus, Rhopalopsyllus lugubris, and Rhopalopsyllus lutzi lutzi), and five tick species (Amblyomma aureolatum, Amblyomma cajennense, Amblyomma dubitatum, Ixodes loricatus, and Rhipicephalus sanguineus) were collected from dogs, cats, and opossums. Rickettsia felis was the only rickettsia found infecting ...
The effect of induced hindlimb lameness on thoracolumbar kinematics during treadmill locomotion.
Equine veterinary journal    December 20, 2007   Volume 40, Issue 2 147-152 doi: 10.2746/042516408X250184
Gomez Alvarez CB, Bobbert MF, Lamers L, Johnston C, Back W, van Weeren PR.There are no detailed studies describing a relationship between hindlimb lameness and altered motion of the back. Objective: To quantify the effect of induced subtle hindlimb lameness on thoracolumbar kinematics in the horse. Methods: Kinematics of 6 riding horses were measured during walk and trot on a treadmill before and during application of pressure on the sole of the left hindlimb using a well-established sole pressure model. Reflective markers were located at anatomical landmarks on the limbs, back, head and neck for kinematic recordings. Ground reaction forces (GRF) in individual limbs...
Prevalence of latent, neuropathogenic equine herpesvirus-1 in the Thoroughbred broodmare population of central Kentucky.
Equine veterinary journal    December 20, 2007   Volume 40, Issue 2 105-110 doi: 10.2746/042516408X253127
Allen GP, Bolin DC, Bryant U, Carter CN, Giles RC, Harrison LR, Hong CB, Jackson CB, Poonacha K, Wharton R, Williams NM.An emerging problem of equine herpesvirus-1 (EHV-1) infection in horses in the USA is a high-mortality myeloencephalopathy that commonly occurs where large numbers of horses are stabled. EHV-1 isolates recovered from recent neurological outbreaks represent a mutant virus strain that possesses enhanced neuropathogenicity. A central question of EHV-1 myeloencephalopathy is the latency carriage rate for these mutants of EHV-1 in USA horse populations. Objective: To estimate the prevalence of neuropathogenic strains of EHV-1 as latent infections in the Thoroughbred broodmare population of central ...
Ultrasound-guided periarticular injections of the sacroiliac region in horses: a cadaveric study.
Equine veterinary journal    December 20, 2007   Volume 40, Issue 2 160-166 doi: 10.2746/042516408X245252
Cousty M, Rossier Y, David F.The traditional techniques for injection of the sacroiliac (SI) region are based on external landmarks. Because of the depth of the SI joint and pathological modifications, SI injections are sometimes challenging in horses. Objective: An ultrasound-guided techniques would allow placement of the needle without depending on external landmarks. Methods: Fourteen pelvic specimens were isolated from mature horses. A 20 cm bent spinal needle was positioned with ultrasonographic guidance under both iliac wings aiming for SI joints using 5 approaches: cranial, craniomedial, medial and 2 caudal approac...
Ocular penetration of intravenously administered enrofloxacin in the horse.
Equine veterinary journal    December 20, 2007   Volume 40, Issue 2 167-170 doi: 10.2746/042516408X255972
Divers TJ, Irby NL, Mohammed HO, Schwark WS.Information on antibiotic concentrations in the equine eye following systemic therapy is limited. Reports that Leptospira spp. are frequently present in the eyes of horses with recurrent uveitis, emphasises a need for studies on ocular concentrations of specific antibiotics. Objective: 1) Enrofloxacin, administered i.v. at 7.5 mg/kg bwt q. 24 h, results in aqueous humour concentrations greater than the reported minimum inhibitory concentration (MIC) for Leptospira pomona. 2) Aqueous humour paracentesis sufficiently disrupts the blood-aqueous humour barrier (BAB) to cause an increase in aqueous...
Aldosterone plasma concentration in horses with heart valve insufficiencies.
Research in veterinary science    December 20, 2007   Volume 85, Issue 2 340-344 doi: 10.1016/j.rvsc.2007.11.002
Gehlen H, Sundermann T, Rohn K, Stadler P.In humans and small animals, heart disease can lead to an increase in aldosterone, and the aldosterone level correlates with the severity of the heart disease. In horses similar interactions may be possible and may lead to an increase in aldosterone in horses with heart valve insufficiencies. In a prospective clinical trial eight healthy horses (control group) and 40 horses with heart valve disease were examined. In all horses, a clinical (auscultation), electro- and echocardiographic examination was performed and aldosterone plasma concentration was determined. The median aldosterone plasma c...
Polyneuropathy of Finnish horses characterised by inflammatory demyelination and intracisternal Schwann cell inclusions.
Equine veterinary journal    December 20, 2007   Volume 40, Issue 3 231-236 doi: 10.2746/042516408X257574
Hahn CN, Matiasek K, Syrja P, Jokinen TS, Macintyre N, Tulamo RM.A neurological disorder characterised by pelvic limb metatarsophalangeal joint extensor paresis has been observed in numerous horses in Scandinavia for the last decade. Very little has been formally reported and there have been no detailed assessments of the neurological signs or neuropathological lesions. Objective: To describe the epidemiological and pathological features of an outbreak of 'Scandinavian knuckling syndrome' in a riding stable in southern Finland. Methods: Clinical neurological examination of 4 cases and neuropathological assessment of tissues of one case were performed. Resul...
Post mortem survey of dental disorders in 349 donkeys from an aged population (2005-2006). Part 2: epidemiological studies.
Equine veterinary journal    December 20, 2007   Volume 40, Issue 3 209-213 doi: 10.2746/042516408x267104
Du Toit N, Gallagher J, Burden FA, Dixon PM.Dental disorders have recently been recognised as having major clinical and welfare implications in donkeys. However, no investigation appears to have examined the association of dental disorders with managemental factors and any intercurrent illness. Objective: To determine the association of dental disorders observed in a post mortem study with age group, body condition score, time since last dental treatment, feeding and the illness that necessitated euthanasia or caused death. Methods: A prospective study documented the type and prevalence of dental disorders in 349 mainly aged donkeys (me...
An epidemiological study of myopathies in Warmblood horses.
Equine veterinary journal    December 20, 2007   Volume 40, Issue 2 171-177 doi: 10.2746/042516408X244262
Hunt LM, Valberg SJ, Steffenhagen K, McCue ME.There are few detailed reports describing muscular disorders in Warmblood horses. Objective: To determine the types of muscular disorders that occur in Warmblood horses, along with presenting clinical signs, associated risk factors and response to diet and exercise recommendations, and to compare these characteristics between horses diagnosed with polysaccharide storage myopathy (PSSM), those diagnosed with a neuromuscular disorder other than PSSM (non-PSSM) and control horses. Methods: Subject details, muscle biopsy diagnosis and clinical history were compiled for Warmblood horses identified ...
[Summary of the First International Conference on Contagious Equine Metritis].
Tijdschrift voor diergeneeskunde    December 19, 2007   Volume 132, Issue 23 936-938 
Roest HI, Heath PJ, Dawson D, Markey G, Dijkstra YE, Engelsma M, van Zilderveld FG.No abstract available
Current guidelines on good reporting of analytical observational studies in epidemiology.
Equine veterinary journal    December 18, 2007   Volume 40, Issue 1 84-86 doi: 10.2746/042516408X255927
Boden LA, Parkin TD.No abstract available
Neuroanatomy of the equine dorsal cricoarytenoid muscle: surgical implications.
Equine veterinary journal    December 18, 2007   Volume 40, Issue 1 70-75 doi: 10.2746/042516407X240465
Cheetham J, Radcliffe CR, Ducharme NG, Sanders I, Mu L, Hermanson JW.Studies are required to define more accurately and completely the neuroanatomy of the equine dorsal cricoarytenoid muscle as a prerequisite for developing a neuroprosthesis for recurrent laryngeal neuropathy. Objective: To describe the anatomy, innervation, fibre types and function of the equine dorsal cricoarytenoid muscle. Methods: Thirty-one larynges were collected at necropsy from horses with no history of upper airway disease and 25 subjected to gross dissection. Thereafter, the following preparations were made on a subset of larynges: histochemical staining (n = 5), Sihler's and acetylch...