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Experimental methods in equine research encompass a variety of techniques and procedures used to investigate physiological, behavioral, and health-related aspects of horses. These methods are designed to collect data that can enhance the understanding of equine biology and inform veterinary practices. Common experimental approaches include controlled trials, observational studies, and laboratory-based experiments. Techniques may involve the use of non-invasive imaging, biochemical assays, and physiological monitoring to assess parameters such as metabolic function, locomotion, and disease progression. This page compiles peer-reviewed research studies and scholarly articles that explore the application, development, and evaluation of experimental methods in the study of equine science.
Transmission studies of Hendra virus (equine morbillivirus) in fruit bats, horses and cats.
Australian veterinary journal    February 11, 1999   Volume 76, Issue 12 813-818 doi: 10.1111/j.1751-0813.1998.tb12335.x
Williamson MM, Hooper PT, Selleck PW, Gleeson LJ, Daniels PW, Westbury HA, Murray PK.To determine the infectivity and transmissibility of Hendra virus (HeV). Methods: A disease transmission study using fruit bats, horses and cats. Methods: Eight grey-headed fruit bats (Pteropus poliocephalus) were inoculated and housed in contact with three uninfected bats and two uninfected horses. In a second experiment, four horses were inoculated by subcutaneous injection and intranasal inoculation and housed in contact with three uninfected horses and six uninfected cats. In a third experiment, 12 cats were inoculated and housed in contact with three uninfected horses. Two surviving horse...
Suckling behaviour does not measure milk intake in horses, Equus caballus.
Animal behaviour    February 6, 1999   Volume 57, Issue 3 673-678 doi: 10.1006/anbe.1998.0997
Cameron EZ, Stafford KJ, Linklater WL, Veltman CJ.Studies of parental investment in mammals have frequently used suckling behaviour to estimate energy transfer from mother to offspring, and consequently to measure maternal input. Such studies assume that the more an offspring sucks, the more milk it will receive. This assumption has been questioned, and a review of the literature found little support for it. To test if suckling behaviour provided an accurate index of milk or energy intake we used a radioactive isotope technique to label the milk of thoroughbred mares and to measure milk transfer to foals. We found no significant linear relati...
Effect of a supplementary dietary evening primrose oil mixture on hoof growth, hoof growth rate and hoof lipid fractions in horses: a controlled and blinded trial.
Equine veterinary journal. Supplement    February 5, 1999   Issue 26 58-65 doi: 10.1111/j.2042-3306.1998.tb05123.x
Reilly JD, Hopegood L, Gould L, Devismes L.The lipid chemistry of the normal equine hoof, together with the effect of oral supplementation with an evening primrose oil mixture (EPOM) on its growth, growth rate and lipid content was assessed in a controlled and blinded feeding trial at the Defence Animal Centre. Twelve horses were paired as closely as possible according to sex, age, weight, height and colour and then one from each pair was randomly allocated to treatment or control groups. The treatment group received 30 ml of oral EPOM/day, otherwise the nutrition and management regimes were the same for all horses. No significant diff...
Batimastat (BB-94) inhibits matrix metalloproteinases of equine laminitis.
Equine veterinary journal. Supplement    February 5, 1999   Issue 26 119-124 doi: 10.1111/j.2042-3306.1998.tb05130.x
Pollitt CC, Pass MA, Pollitt S.A method for culturing explants of lamellar hoof was developed to investigate the process of lamellar separation that occurs in laminitis. Explants, consisting of hoof wall, dermal and epidermal lamellae and the adjacent sub-lamellar connective tissue remained intact when cultured in tissue culture medium for 2 days. However, when cultured in the presence of the matrix metalloproteinase (MMP) activator aminophenylmercuric acetate (APMA), the lamellae separated when tension was applied by pulling the hoof wall in an opposite direction to the connective tissue. The separation occurred between th...
Exploring the possible functions of equine hoof wall tubules.
Equine veterinary journal. Supplement    February 5, 1999   Issue 26 10-14 doi: 10.1111/j.2042-3306.1998.tb05116.x
Kasapi MA, Gosline JM.Possible functions of equine hoof wall tubules were investigated in this study. Hydration tests were conducted on blocks of hoof wall tissue in order to test the hypothesis that hollow tubules facilitate the conduction of water vapour distally. Although water loss or gain was inhibited through the outer wall surface, the increase in surface area provided by medullary spaces was ineffective in facilitating hydration through the face with exposed tubule ends. Rather, hollow tubules appear to allow for a higher dehydration rate through their exposed ends. Analysis of medullary space indicates tha...
Effect of a conjugate of polymyxin B-dextran 70 in horses with experimentally induced endotoxemia.
American journal of veterinary research    January 26, 1999   Volume 60, Issue 1 68-75 
MacKay RJ, Clark CK, Logdberg L, Lake P.To determine the efficacy of polymyxin B-dextran 70 (PBD) for treatment of endotoxemic horses. Methods: 15 horses during study 1 and 6 horses during study 2. Methods: 3 groups were used in study 1. Horses in groups 1 and 2 were given 30 ng of lipopolysaccharide (LPS)/kg of body weight, IV, over 60 minutes. Horses in group 3 were given saline (0.9% NaCl) solution. Beginning 15 minutes before LPS infusion and continuing for 75 minutes, horses in groups 1 and 3 were given PBD, IV. Horses in group 2 were given dextran 70. Blood samples were obtained for hemograms and determination of cytokine, lac...
Culture and characterization of equine terminal arch endothelial cells and hoof keratinocytes.
American journal of veterinary research    January 26, 1999   Volume 60, Issue 1 128-132 
Wunn D, Wardrop KJ, Meyers K, Kramer J, Ragle C.To develop methods to isolate, culture, and characterize equine hoof endothelial cells (EC) and keratinocytes. Methods: Cells harvested from the forelimbs of 8 horses. Methods: EC were obtained via catheters placed in the palmar digital arteries of the disarticulated lower portion of the forelimbs from 4 horses that had been heparinized prior to euthanasia. Phosphate-buffered saline solution was used to remove and discard RBC from blood vessels, and collagenase was used to loosen and flush EC from the vasculature. Hoof keratinocytes were obtained from 4 recently euthanatized horses by use of d...
The cardiopulmonary effects of clenbuterol when administered to dorsally recumbent halothane-anaesthetised ponies–failure to increase arterial oxygenation.
Research in veterinary science    January 23, 1999   Volume 65, Issue 3 227-232 doi: 10.1016/s0034-5288(98)90148-5
Lee YH, Clarke KW, Alibhai HI.Clenbuterol (0.8 microg kg(-1) intravenously) was investigated in ponies (small horses) anaesthetised with acepromazine, detomidine and thiopentone, then halothane in oxygen alone (hyperoxic group) or with nitrous oxide (hypoxic group). Following instrumentation, ponies were placed in dorsal recumbency for 60 minutes, clenbuterol (both groups) or a saline control (hyperoxic group) given, and cardiopulmonary parameters monitored for a further 60 minutes. In the hyperoxic group, clenbuterol administration resulted in a transitory (<five minutes) 15 per cent fall in arterial blood pressure and...
An equine herpesvirus 1 mutant with a lacZ insertion between open reading frames 62 and 63 is replication competent and causes disease in the murine respiratory model.
Archives of virology    December 18, 1998   Volume 143, Issue 11 2215-2231 doi: 10.1007/s007050050453
Csellner H, Walker C, Love DN, Whalley JM.An equine herpesvirus 1 (EHV-1) mutant was constructed by inserting a lacZ expression cassette into the intergenic region upstream of gene 62 (glycoprotein L; gL) and downstream of gene 63 (a homologue of the herpes simplex virus transcriptional activator ICP0). The recombinant lacZ62/63-EHV-1 had similar growth kinetics in cell culture to those of the parental wild type (wt) virus, with indistinguishable cytopathic effects and plaque morphology. Reverse transcriptase PCR confirmed that the lacZ insertion did not interfere with transcription of gL and immunoblot analysis indicated there was no...
Failure of psyllium mucilloid to hasten evaluation of sand from the equine large intestine.
Veterinary surgery : VS    December 9, 1998   Volume 27, Issue 6 547-554 doi: 10.1111/j.1532-950x.1998.tb00530.x
Hammock PD, Freeman DE, Baker GJ.To examine the efficacy of psyllium mucilloid in evacuating sand from the equine large intestine. Methods: 12 clinically healthy pony geldings. Methods: Twelve ponies were assigned to 2 groups of six each. One group was treated with psyllium and the second was a control group. All ponies had an exploratory celiotomy and 10 g/kg body weight of sand was placed into the cecum. Ponies were fed a grain mixture alone at 1 g/kg (controls), a grain mixture plus psyllium pellets, each at 1 g/kg body weight (3 ponies), or fed a grain mixture and given psyllium powder by nasogastric tube at 1 g/kg body w...
In vitro generation of equine osteoclasts from bone marrow cells using a novel culture system.
Research in veterinary science    December 5, 1998   Volume 65, Issue 2 155-160 doi: 10.1016/s0034-5288(98)90168-0
Gray AW, Davies ME, Jeffcott LB.We report on preliminary results of a novel in vitro culture system designed to generate equine osteoclasts in large numbers. Osteoclast generation, as determined by the expression of tartrate resistant acid phosphatase (TRAP) and ability to resorb bone, was enhanced in equine bone marrow cultures supplemented with fibroblastic cell (L929) conditioned medium (L929-CM). Bone marrow was collected from a total of 12 horses and ponies and TRAP-positive cells with bone resorbing ability were generated in significant numbers in the last seven. TRAP-positive mononuclear cells appeared after three day...
Pathogenesis of Babesia caballi infection in experimental horses.
The Journal of veterinary medical science    November 20, 1998   Volume 60, Issue 10 1127-1132 doi: 10.1292/jvms.60.1127
Hanafusa Y, Cho KO, Kanemaru T, Wada R, Sugimoto C, Onuma M.The present study was designed to investigate the role of cytokines in the pathogenesis of Babesia caballi in experimentally infected horses. The expression of cytokine mRNA was determined by using reverse transcription-polymerase chain reaction in two B. caballi-infected horses for 2 weeks after the infection. In one horse, there was up-regulation of interferon-gamma, tumor necrosis factor-alpha (TNF-alpha) and interleukin-2 mRNAs, while in the second horse, expression of only TNF-alpha mRNA was up-regulated. No change was observed in interleukin-4 mRNA in both of the horses. To know the rela...
Persistence of the efficacy of a moxidectin gel on the establishment of cyathostominae in horses.
The Veterinary record    October 28, 1998   Volume 143, Issue 11 307-309 doi: 10.1136/vr.143.11.307
Vercruysse J, Eysker M, Demeulenaere D, Smets K, Dorny P.A controlled trial was carried out to evaluate the persistence of the effect against small strongyles of a 2 per cent moxidectin gel administered orally to foals at a dose rate of 0.4 mg/kg bodyweight. Five of nine helminth-free foals were treated on day 0, and the remaining four foals were used as controls. On days 0, 7, 14, 21 and 28 all nine foals were infected experimentally with 200,000 small strongyle larvae. Three treated and two control foals were necropsied on day 42 and the rest on day 43. Fourteen species of small or medium sized small strongyles were found in the control foals, 10 ...
Experimental infection of four horses with Ehrlichia phagocytophila.
The Veterinary record    October 28, 1998   Volume 143, Issue 11 303-305 doi: 10.1136/vr.143.11.303
Pusterla N, Lutz H, Braun U.Four clinically healthy horses which were negative for antibodies to Ehrlichia phagocytophila, the agent of bovine ehrlichiosis, were infected experimentally with E phagocytophila-containing bovine leucocytes, administered intravenously. The horses were examined daily for four weeks, and blood samples were collected daily for cytological, haematological and biochemical examination and for a nested polymerase chain reaction (PCR). An indirect immunofluorescence test was used to determine when the horses seroconverted and the duration of positive titres. There were no abnormal clinical, haematol...
Clinical, serologic, and histopathologic characterization of experimental Borna disease in ponies. Katz JB, Alstad D, Jenny AL, Carbone KM, Rubin SA, Waltrip RW.Borna disease was originally described as an equine neurologic syndrome over 200 years ago, although the infectious etiology of the disorder was unproven until the early 20th century. Borna disease virus (BDV) was finally isolated from horses dying of the disorder, and that virus has been used to experimentally reproduce Borna disease in several species of laboratory animals. However, BDV has never been inoculated back into horses to experimentally and etiologically confirm the classic clinical, pathologic, and serologic characteristics of the disease in that species. Three ponies were intrace...
Changes in plasma protein concentrations in ponies with experimentally induced alimentary laminitis.
American journal of veterinary research    October 22, 1998   Volume 59, Issue 10 1234-1237 
Fagliari JJ, McClenahan D, Evanson OA, Weiss DJ.To determine whether plasma protein concentrations were altered in ponies with alimentary laminitis. Methods: 12 adult ponies. Methods: Acute laminitis was induced in 6 ponies by oral administration of carbohydrate (85% corn starch, 15% wood flour); the other 6 ponies were used as controls. A physical examination was performed and blood samples were collected immediately before and 4, 8, 12, 24, and 28 hours after administration of carbohydrate. Plasma protein concentrations were determined by means of sodium dodecyl sulphate-polyacrylamide gel electrophoresis. Results: 19 plasma proteins rang...
Isolation and chondrocytic differentiation of equine bone marrow-derived mesenchymal stem cells.
American journal of veterinary research    September 15, 1998   Volume 59, Issue 9 1182-1187 
Fortier LA, Nixon AJ, Williams J, Cable CS.To isolate mesenchymal stem cells from adult horses and determine specific monolayer culture conditions required to enhance biochemically and phenotypically defined chondrocytic differentiation. Methods: 2 adult horse bone marrow donors without skeletal or hematologic abnormalities. Methods: Bone marrow was aspirated from the sternebra, and mesenchymal stem cells were isolated by centrifugation and cultured in monolayers. Subcultures were established in 24-well plates on day 13. Culture medium was harvested every 2 days, and culture of 12 of the 24 wells was terminated on day 6 and of the rema...
Virological and molecular biological investigations into equine herpes virus type 2 (EHV-2) experimental infections.
Virus research    August 26, 1998   Volume 55, Issue 1 101-106 doi: 10.1016/s0168-1702(98)00028-8
Borchers K, Wolfinger U, Ludwig H, Thein P, Baxi S, Field HJ, Slater JD.Two 18-month-old naturally reared ponies were used to investigate the pathogenicity of EHV-2. After dexamethasone treatment, pony 1 was inoculated intranasally with EHV-2 strain T16, which has been isolated from a foal with keratoconjunctivitis superficialis and pony 2 was similarly inoculated with strain LK4 which was originally isolated from a horse with upper respiratory tract disease. Following virus inoculation, pyrexia was not detected in either pony but both developed conjunctivitis, lymphadenopathy, and coughing. EHV-2 was detected in nasal mucus samples up to day 12 post infection (p....
Asymmetry in placement of bilateral skin markers on horses and effects of asymmetric skin marker placement on kinematic variables.
American journal of veterinary research    August 26, 1998   Volume 59, Issue 8 938-944 
Audigié F, Pourcelot P, Degueurce C, Denoix JM, Geiger D, Bortolussi C.To evaluate asymmetry in placement of bilateral skin markers on horses and to determine effect of asymmetric skin marker placement on kinematic variables for trotting horses. Methods: 10 horses for evaluation of asymmetry in marker placement; 1 horse for evaluation of effects on kinematic variables. Methods: Asymmetry in marker placement was assessed by attaching markers to horses and comparing radiographs of left and right limbs. An experimental model was developed to determine effects on kinematic variables; accuracy of the model was validated experimentally. Using kinematic data from a clin...
Experimental model of synovitis/capsulitis in the equine metacarpophalangeal joint.
American journal of veterinary research    August 26, 1998   Volume 59, Issue 8 978-985 
Cornelissen BP, Rijkenhuizen AB, van den Hoogen BM, Rutten VP, Barneveld A.To develop and define a model of acute synovitis/capsulitis in the equine metacarpophalangeal joint (fetlock) to study clinical effects of diagnostic or therapeutic procedures. Methods: 5 adult Standardbreds. Methods: Polyvinyl alcohol foam particles were injected into the left front fetlock of horses; the right front fetlock was used as a control. Horses were examined clinically and for lameness on a regular basis. Blood samples were taken to measure routine variables. Synovial fluid samples were collected from both fetlocks, and macroscopic, microscopic, and biochemical variables were measur...
Acute synovitis and intra-articular methylprednisolone acetate in ponies.
Osteoarthritis and cartilage    August 6, 1998   Volume 6, Issue 2 94-105 doi: 10.1053/joca.1997.0099
Todhunter RJ, Fubini SL, Vernier-Singer M, Wootton JA, Lust G, Freeman KP, MacLeod JN.To determine how acute synovitis, with and without intra-articular methylprednisolone acetate (MPA), affect synthesis of proteoglycan, total protein, and collagen in articular cartilage and total protein synthesis in synovial membrane. Methods: Synovitis was induced in 10 ponies by the injection of 0.5 ng lipopolysaccharide (LPS) into the left radiocarpal and midcarpal joints every 2 days for a total of four treatments. Synovitis was documented by clinical examination and synovial fluid analyses. Two days before euthanasia, MPA (0.1 mg/kg) was injected with the last dose of LPS into both the l...
Calculation of fecal kinetics in horses fed hay or hay and concentrate.
Journal of animal science    August 5, 1998   Volume 76, Issue 7 1937-1944 doi: 10.2527/1998.7671937x
Holland JL, Kronfeld DS, Sklan D, Harris PA.Marker methods are needed for estimating fecal output by grazing animals in studies of nutrition and environmental impact. In addition, estimates of prefecal mass and turnover time are relevant to exercise performance and certain digestive disorders. As a first step in developing marker methods for field use, a chromic oxide model of fecal kinetics was developed and tested in the context of a digestion balance experiment with stall-fed horses. The model consists of removal of feces at a constant rate from a single compartment, the prefecal mass. Four horses were fed hay, and another four were ...
Elastic modulus of equine hoof horn, tested in wall samples, sole samples and frog samples at varying levels of moisture.
Berliner und Munchener tierarztliche Wochenschrift    July 23, 1998   Volume 111, Issue 6 217-221 
Hinterhofer C, Stanek C, Binder K.The elastic (E-) modulus of hoof horn samples as a function of moisture content was determined from different segments of the equine hoof. 110 hoof horn specimens with different pigmentation taken from six adult warm-blooded horses with no obvious pathological changes within t he foot were used for the 177 tension and bending tests which were performed in accordance with ASTM D 5026, ASTM D 5023 and DIN 53.457. E-moduli were determined under physiological conditions with mean 761.8, SD +/- 295.4 N/mm for dorsal wall samples, 708 +/- 280.4 N/mm2 for lateral wall samples, 230 +/- 92.4 N/mm2 for ...
Maturation-promoting factor (MPF) and mitogen activated protein kinase (MAPK) expression in relation to oocyte competence for in-vitro maturation in the mare.
Molecular human reproduction    July 17, 1998   Volume 4, Issue 6 563-570 doi: 10.1093/molehr/4.6.563
Goudet G, Belin F, Bézard J, Gérard N.In the equine species, a large proportion of oocytes fail to complete meiosis during in-vitro culture. The biochemical and molecular basis of this failure is unknown. The meiotic cell cycle is controlled in part by the maturation-promoting factor (MPF) and the mitogen-activated protein kinase (MAPK). In this study, we evaluated the oocyte competence for in-vitro maturation and the expression of MPF components (p34cdc2 and cyclin B) and MAPK after in-vitro culture. The maturation rate was influenced by the culture medium and the physiological stage of the mare at the time of oocyte recovery. We...
Influence of exogenous hyaluronan on synthesis of hyaluronan and collagenase by equine synoviocytes.
American journal of veterinary research    July 11, 1998   Volume 59, Issue 7 888-892 
Lynch TM, Caron JP, Arnoczky SP, Lloyd JW, Stick JA, Render JA.To evaluate the influence of exogenous hyaluronan (HA) on in vitro synthesis of HA and collagenase by equine synoviocytes from normal and inflamed joints. Methods: 9 adult horses. Methods: Synoviocytes for culture were taken from the middle carpal joint of 3 horses with normal joints (control) and 6 horses with osteochondral fractures (principal). Synoviocytes were propagated in monolayer cultures and were incubated with 3 commercial HA products at concentrations of 0, 200, 400, and 1,500 micrograms/ml. Newly synthesized HA was radiolabeled with [3H]glucosamine and quantified by cetylpyridiniu...
Experimental transmission of Ehrlichia equi to horses through naturally infected ticks (Ixodes pacificus) from Northern California.
Journal of clinical microbiology    July 3, 1998   Volume 36, Issue 7 2131-2134 doi: 10.1128/JCM.36.7.2131-2134.1998
Reubel GH, Kimsey RB, Barlough JE, Madigan JE.We report the experimental transmission of Ehrlichia equi from naturally infected Ixodes pacificus ticks to horses. Three weeks after exposure to ticks, two of three horses developed clinical signs compatible with E. equi infection, while one horse remained asymptomatic. 16S rRNA gene PCR of blood leukocyte lysates was positive for all horses at various time points; two horses seroconverted. The 16S rRNA gene sequences amplified from tick-exposed horses showed more than 99% homology to corresponding fragments of the 16S rRNA genes of E. equi, Ehrlichia phagocytophila, and the human granulocyti...
Effect of tumor necrosis factor antibody given to horses during early experimentally induced endotoxemia.
American journal of veterinary research    June 12, 1998   Volume 59, Issue 6 792-797 
Barton MH, Bruce EH, Moore JN, Norton N, Anders B, Morris DD.To test efficacy of murine monoclonal, rabbit polyclonal recombinant equine or human tumor necrosis factor-alpha (rETNF or rHTNF, respectively) antibodies to inhibit native equine tumor necrosis factor (TNF) activity. Methods: 8 and 18 healthy adult horses for parts 1 and 2 of the study, respectively. Methods: In part 1, supernates from endotoxin-activated peritoneal macrophages were incubated with various dilutions of each rETNF antibody and subsequently tested for TNF activity. Serum was also obtained from a horse 1 hour after infusion with 20 ng of endotoxin/kg of body weight and was incuba...
The effect of propanediol on the morphology of fresh and frozen equine embryos.
Equine veterinary journal. Supplement    May 21, 1998   Issue 25 80-84 doi: 10.1111/j.2042-3306.1997.tb05107.x
Bruyas JF, Martins-Ferreira C, Fiéni F, Tainturier D.Seventeen horse embryos recovered on the sixth day after spontaneous ovulation were; 1) washed in PBS (n = 6), 2) treated with 1.5 M 1-2 propanediol (n = 6) or, 3) frozen and thawed using 1.5 M propanediol as the cryoprotectant (n = 5). After treatment, the embryos were incubated for 6 h in medium before they were fixed, serially sectioned and examined microscopically to count the total numbers of interphase, mitotic and pycnotic nuclei. Significant differences were measured only in the mean proportions of pycnotic cells (+/- s.d.), both between the control (9.2 +/- 7.3%) and frozen-thawed emb...
The effect of sucrose in the thawing solution on the morphology and mobility of frozen equine embryos.
Equine veterinary journal. Supplement    May 21, 1998   Issue 25 94-97 doi: 10.1111/j.2042-3306.1997.tb05110.x
Huhtinen M, Lagneaux D, Koskinen E, Palmer E.Seventy-five embryos were collected 6 days after ovulation. Sixty embryos were frozen in straws using glycerol as the cryoprotectant in an automatic freezer. In Experiment 1 the freezing and thawing media were supplemented with 1.3 g/l PVP; in Experiment 2 the supplement was 5% FCS. The embryos were thawed for 30 s at +37 degrees C in a waterbath. In Experiment 1 glycerol was removed from 10 embryos in 6 steps. In 10 other embryos, glycerol and sucrose were both removed from the medium in 6 steps. After glycerol and sucrose removal, the embryos were stained with 4',6'-diamidino-2-phenylindole ...
Effect of anti-freeze protein (AFP) on the cooling and freezing of equine embryos as measured by DAPI-staining.
Equine veterinary journal. Supplement    May 21, 1998   Issue 25 85-87 doi: 10.1111/j.2042-3306.1997.tb05108.x
Lagneaux D, Huhtinen M, Koskinen E, Palmer E.Equine embryos recovered on Day 6 after ovulation were cooled to +4 degrees C, or frozen with AFP alone or together with glycerol. Twenty embryos (140-200 microm in diameter) were randomly assigned to 6 treatment groups. In the first 3 groups, the embryos were cooled from room temperature to +4 degrees C at a rate of 3 degrees C/min and warmed again at a rate of 32 degrees C/min in a programmable freezer. In the second 3 groups, the embryos were frozen using a standard protocol, stored in liquid nitrogen for 5-7 days and then thawed in a 37 degrees C waterbath. After cooling/warming or freezin...
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