Analyze Diet

Topic:Hemodynamics

Hemodynamics in horses refers to the study of blood flow and the forces involved in circulation within the equine cardiovascular system. It encompasses the examination of heart function, blood pressure, and the distribution of blood to various tissues and organs. Key parameters in equine hemodynamics include cardiac output, vascular resistance, and blood volume. These factors are integral to understanding how horses respond to exercise, stress, and various health conditions. This page aggregates peer-reviewed research studies and scholarly articles that explore the mechanisms, measurement techniques, and clinical implications of hemodynamic processes in equine physiology and veterinary medicine.
Cardiopulmonary, hematological, serum chemistry and peritoneal fluid alterations associated with abdominal insufflation with carbon dioxide during standing laparoscopy in healthy horses sedated with detomidine and butorphanol.
Veterinary anaesthesia and analgesia    November 15, 2016   Volume 29, Issue 2 107-108 doi: 10.1046/j.1467-2995.2002.00078_26.x
Latimer F, Eades S, Pettifer G, Tetens J, Hosgood G, Moore R.No abstract available
Intracranial and cerebral perfusion pressures in awake versus isoflurane-anesthetized horses.
Veterinary anaesthesia and analgesia    November 15, 2016   Volume 29, Issue 2 105 doi: 10.1046/j.1467-2995.2002.00078_20.x
Brosnan RJ, LeCouteur RA, Imai A, Kortz GD, Steffey EP.No abstract available
The effects of ephedrine on intramuscular blood flow and other cardiopulmonary parameters in halothane-anesthetized ponies.
Veterinary anaesthesia and analgesia    November 15, 2016   Volume 29, Issue 4 171-181 doi: 10.1046/j.1467-2995.2002.00095.x
Lee YL, Clarke KW, Alibhai HI, Song DY.To evaluate the effect of ephedrine on intramuscular blood flow and hemodynamic parameters during equine anesthesia. Methods: Prospective experimental study. Methods: Six healthy adult Welsh Mountain ponies (five males, one female, mean weight: 267 kg, range: 213-347 kg). Methods: Halothane-anesthetized ponies received an IV bolus of ephedrine (0.1 mg kg), followed 30 minutes later by a second IV ephedrine injection (0.2 mg kg). Changes in intramuscular blood flows (IMBF) in upper and lower triceps brachii were measured by laser Doppler flowmetry. Cardiopulmonary measurements were made at inte...
Anaesthesia in horses using halothane and intravenous ketamine-guaiphenesin: a clinical study.
Veterinary anaesthesia and analgesia    November 15, 2016   Volume 29, Issue 1 20-28 doi: 10.1046/j.1467-2987.2001.00060.x
Spadavecchia C, Stucki F, Moens Y, Schatzmann U.The aim of this study was to define and evaluate a combined inhalation-intravenous anaesthetic protocol for use in equine anaesthesia. Methods: Prospective, randomized clinical trial. Methods: Twenty-eight horses (body mass 522 ± 82; 330-700 kg [mean ± SD; range]) with a mean age of 6 ± 4 years (range: 2-18 years) presented to the university hospital for various surgical procedures requiring general anaesthesia. Methods: Animals were randomly allocated to one of two treatment groups. Anaesthesia was maintained in 14 horses with halothane alone (H group). The mean end-tidal halothane concent...
Cardiopulmonary effects associated with head-down position in halothane-anesthetized ponies with or without capnoperitoneum.
Veterinary anaesthesia and analgesia    November 15, 2016   Volume 29, Issue 2 76-89 doi: 10.1046/j.1467-2995.2002.00077.x
Duke T, Cruz AM, Cruz JI, Howden KJ.To compare the cardiopulmonary effects of the head-down position, with or without capnoperitoneum, in halothane-anesthetized horses. Methods: Prospective randomized study. Methods: Five ponies (four mares, one stallion; bodyweight 302 ± 38.4 kg [mean ± SD]) were used. Methods: The ponies were anesthetized with xylazine, guiafenesin, ketamine, and maintained with halothane/oxygen and lungs were ventilated to 40 ± 2 mm Hg (5.3 ± 0.3 kPa) end-tidal CO tension. After baseline cardiopulmonary measurements, ponies were kept in horizontal position for 30 minutes, then tilted head-down 30° to the...
The cardiopulmonary effects of severe blood loss in anesthetized horses.
Veterinary anaesthesia and analgesia    November 15, 2016   Volume 30, Issue 2 80-86 doi: 10.1046/j.1467-2995.2003.00102.x
Wilson DV, Rondenay Y, Shance PU.To characterize the acute cardiopulmonary effects of severe hemorrhage in anesthetized horses. Methods: Prospective experimental study. Methods: Three geldings and six mares, aged 14.4 ± 2.7 years, weighing 486 ± 41 kg (range: 425-550 kg). Methods: Horses were anesthetized using xylazine, guaifenesin, ketamine and halothane or isoflurane. Cardiovascular variables, hematocrit, total solids, capillary refill time (CRT) and color of mucous membranes were measured as blood was collected from the carotid artery into sterile plastic bags. Arterial blood gas analysis was also performed. Results: Th...
[Heart disease in sports horses: Current recommendations of the 2014 ACVIM / ECEIM consensus statement].
Schweizer Archiv fur Tierheilkunde    October 7, 2016   Volume 158, Issue 10 677-689 doi: 10.17236/sat00086
Schwarzwald C.Heart murmurs and arrhythmias are common in horses. Assessment of their clinical relevance concerning health, performance, safety and longevity of sports horses is of highest importance. A comprehensive cardiovascular examination is crucial for diagnosis and assessment of the severity of disease. Recently, an expert panel of the American College of Veterinary Internal Medicine (ACVIM) and the European College of Equine Internal Medicine (ECEIM) developed a consensus statement containing recommendations for sports horses with heart disease. This article summarizes the most relevant recommendati...
Comparison of the pharmacokinetics of two formulations of hydroxyethyl starch in healthy horses.
Journal of veterinary pharmacology and therapeutics    September 21, 2016   Volume 40, Issue 3 309-313 doi: 10.1111/jvp.12359
Epstein KL, Bergren A, Nie B, Arnold RD, Brainard BM.A lower molecular weight and molar substitution formulation (130/0.4) of hydroxyethyl starch solution has been shown to have a more sustained effect on COP and similar hemodynamic effects as a higher molecular weight and molar substitution formulation (600/0.75) in healthy horses. In humans, these pharmacodynamic characteristics are coupled with more rapid clearance and decreased adverse coagulation effects and accumulation. The objective of this study was to determine and compare the pharmacokinetics of these two formulations in horses. Eight healthy horses were given a 10 mL/kg bolus of eac...
A comparison of the effects of a 4% modified fluid gelatin and a 6% hydroxyethyl starch on haemodilution, colloid osmotic pressure, haemostasis and renal parameters in healthy ponies.
Equine veterinary journal    July 28, 2016   Volume 49, Issue 3 363-368 doi: 10.1111/evj.12594
Gratwick Z, Viljoen A, Page PC, Goddard A, Fosgate GT, Lyle CH.Adverse effects on renal health and haemostasis have been documented in human patients administered hydroxyethyl starches (HESs). Gelatins may represent useful substitutes should similar adverse effects be identified in horses. Objective: To compare the effects of a 4% modified fluid gelatin (MFG) with a 6% (130/0.4) HES on haemodilution, colloid osmotic pressure (COP), haemostasis and renal parameters in healthy ponies. Methods: Randomised crossover experiment. Methods: Three treatments (Treatment A: 10 ml/kg bwt HES; Treatment B: 10 ml/kg bwt MFG; Treatment C: 20 ml/kg bwt MFG) were administ...
Changes in blood pressure, heart rate, and blood profile in mares during the last 3 months of gestation and the peripartum period.
Theriogenology    June 14, 2016   Volume 86, Issue 7 1856-1864 doi: 10.1016/j.theriogenology.2016.06.001
Nagel C, Trenk L, Aurich J, Wulf M, Aurich C.In this study, peripartum changes in complete blood count, plasma electrolyte concentrations, blood pressure, heart rate, and heart rate variability (HRV) were determined in pregnant Warmblood mares (n = 10). Blood was collected from Days 245 to 330 of gestation (phase A), 2Days 3 to 1 before foaling (phase B), repeatedly within 12 hours after foaling (phase C), and on Days 1 to 3 postpartum (phase D). On the same days as blood collection, blood pressure and cardiac beat-to-beat intervals were measured and time domain HRV variables were calculated. Blood pressure decreased during the past 3...
Equine aortic regurgitation: The search for objective repeatable and reproducible indicators of severity.
Veterinary journal (London, England : 1997)    May 4, 2016   Volume 213 91-92 doi: 10.1016/j.tvjl.2016.04.016
Keen JA.No abstract available
Accuracy and Precision of Noninvasive Blood Pressure in Normo-, Hyper-, and Hypotensive Standing and Anesthetized Adult Horses.
Journal of veterinary internal medicine    April 5, 2016   Volume 30, Issue 3 866-872 doi: 10.1111/jvim.13928
Heliczer N, Lorello O, Casoni D, Navas de Solis C.Blood pressure is relevant to the diagnosis and management of many medical, cardiovascular and critical diseases. The accuracy of many commonly used noninvasive blood pressure (NIBP) monitors and the accuracy of NIBP measurements in hypo- and hypertensive standing horses has not been determined. Objective: The objective of this study was to investigate the accuracy of an oscillometric BP monitor in standing horses before and during pharmacologically induced hyper- and hypotension and to compare results in standing and anesthetized horses. Methods: Eight standing mares from a research herd (SG)...
Cardiopulmonary effects and anaesthesia recovery quality in horses anaesthetized with isoflurane and low-dose S-ketamine or medetomidine infusions.
Veterinary anaesthesia and analgesia    February 25, 2016   Volume 43, Issue 6 623-634 doi: 10.1111/vaa.12359
Menzies MP, Ringer SK, Conrot A, Theurillat R, Kluge K, Kutter AP, Jackson M, Thormann W, Bettschart-Wolfensberger R.To evaluate cardiopulmonary effects and anaesthesia recovery quality in horses anaesthetized with isoflurane receiving medetomidine or S-ketamine infusions. Methods: Randomized, blinded, prospective clinical trial. Methods: Fifty horses undergoing elective surgery. Methods: After acepromazine and flunixin meglumine premedication, horses received medetomidine (7 μg kg-1 ) intravenously (IV). Anaesthesia was induced with midazolam and racemic ketamine (Med treatment group; 2.2 mg kg-1 ; n = 25) or S-ketamine (S-ket treatment group; 1.1 mg kg-1 ; n = 25) IV and maintained with isoflura...
Cardiovascular, respiratory and metabolic responses to apnea induced by atlanto-occipital intrathecal lidocaine injection in anesthetized horses.
Veterinary anaesthesia and analgesia    February 5, 2016   Volume 43, Issue 6 590-598 doi: 10.1111/vaa.12344
Guedes A, Aleman M, Davis E, Tearney C.To determine physiologic responses to apnea-induced severe hypoxemia in anesthetized horses. Methods: Prospective experimental study. Methods: Six university-owned horses with a median (range) body weight of 500 (220-510) kg and aged 13.5 (0.8-24.0) years scheduled for euthanasia. Methods: Xylazine-midazolam-ketamine-anesthetized horses breathing room air spontaneously were instrumented with a facial artery catheter for pressure measurement and blood sampling, and were made apneic with atlanto-occipital intrathecal lidocaine (4 mg kg ). Cardiopulmonary, biochemical and hematologic variable...
Assessing aortic regurgitation severity from 2D, M-mode and pulsed wave Doppler echocardiographic measurements in horses.
Veterinary journal (London, England : 1997)    January 18, 2016   Volume 210 34-38 doi: 10.1016/j.tvjl.2016.01.011
Ven S, Decloedt A, Van Der Vekens N, De Clercq D, van Loon G.Aortic regurgitation (AR) in horses can lead to left ventricular (LV) eccentric hypertrophy, ventricular arrhythmia and heart failure. Objective quantification of the severity of regurgitation is difficult. The aim of this study was to evaluate dimensional measurements, systolic time intervals and blood flow velocities, acquired by standard 2D, M-mode and pulsed wave Doppler echocardiography, for quantification of AR. Echocardiography was performed in 32 healthy horses and 35 horses with AR that were subdivided in three groups (mild, moderate or severe AR). From the recorded images LV, left at...
The effect of isosorbide dinitrate on uterine and ovarian blood flow in cycling and early pregnant mares: A pilot study.
Theriogenology    January 14, 2016   Volume 85, Issue 9 1562-1567 doi: 10.1016/j.theriogenology.2016.01.009
Zoller D, Lüttgenau J, Steffen S, Bollwein H.Poor uterine perfusion has been proposed as a cause of infertility in mares. The objective of this study was to investigate the effect of isosorbide dinitrate (ISDN), a nitric oxide donor, on uterine and ovarian blood flow resistance during diestrus and early pregnancy in mares. Six Trotter mares, aged 7 to 14 years, were examined daily during the first 11 days of three diestrous periods, and five of those mares were also examined during the first 11 days of two pregnancies. Six mares randomly received a placebo, a low dose (30 mg, ISDN30), or a high dose of ISDN (60 mg, ISDN60) through t...
Sepsis and Septic Shock in the Equine Neonate.
The Veterinary clinics of North America. Equine practice    November 28, 2015   Volume 31, Issue 3 483-496 doi: 10.1016/j.cveq.2015.09.001
Fielding CL, Magdesian KG.Sepsis and septic shock represent a major cause of morbidity and mortality in equine neonates and in all species. Early recognition of the condition is important, but definitive examination and laboratory variables to predict equine neonatal sepsis are lacking. Early and aggressive treatment should include broad-spectrum antimicrobial coverage, source control, and hemodynamic support. Field practitioners and intensive care clinicians work together in the management of this condition because the recognition and initial treatment should begin as early as possible.
Accuracy and precision of oscillometric blood pressure in standing conscious horses.
Journal of veterinary emergency and critical care (San Antonio, Tex. : 2001)    October 21, 2015   Volume 26, Issue 1 85-92 doi: 10.1111/vec.12411
Olsen E, Pedersen TL, Robinson R, Haubro Andersen P.Arterial blood pressure (BP) is a relevant clinical parameter that can be measured in standing conscious horses to assess tissue perfusion or pain. However, there are no validated oscillometric noninvasive blood pressure (NIBP) devices for use in horses. Methods: Seven healthy horses from a teaching and research herd. Objective: To evaluate the accuracy and precision of systolic arterial pressure (SAP), diastolic arterial pressure (DAP), and mean arterial pressure (MAP) in conscious horses obtained with an oscillometric NIBP device when compared to invasively measured arterial BP. Methods: An ...
The cardiovascular status of isoflurane-anaesthetized horses with and without dexmedetomidine constant rate infusion evaluated at equivalent depths of anaesthesia.
Veterinary anaesthesia and analgesia    October 21, 2015   Volume 43, Issue 4 412-423 doi: 10.1111/vaa.12315
Risberg ÅI, Ranheim B, Krontveit RI, Lervik A, Haga HA.To compare cardiac index and oxygen extraction at equivalent depths of anaesthesia between isoflurane-anaesthetized horses and horses anesthetized with isoflurane and dexmedetomidine CRI. Methods: Sequential, blinded, randomized, balanced, crossover study. Methods: Eight horses weighing a mean ± standard deviation of 478 ± 58 kg. Methods: Horses were premedicated with 0.03 mg kg(-1) acepromazine intramuscularly (IM) and 8 μg kg(-1) dexmedetomidine intravenously (IV). Anaesthesia was induced with 2.5 mg kg(-1) ketamine and 0.1 mg kg(-1) midazolam IV and maintained with isofluran...
Venous Valvular Distribution in the Thoracic and Pelvic Limbs of the Horse.
Anatomia, histologia, embryologia    September 28, 2015   Volume 45, Issue 6 409-417 doi: 10.1111/ahe.12209
Harfoush K, Guintard C, Desfontis JC, Thorin C, Douart C, Mallem MY, Betti E.Dysfunction of venous valves can lead to hemodynamic disorders causing venous stasis, which would favour the occurrence of equine laminitis. However, very few studies have investigated venous valves in the horse digit. The purpose of this study was to compare valvular density between thoracic and pelvic limbs and to study the relationship between valvular density of veins and their location, diameter and wall thickness. After dissection, valvular density was calculated based on the number of valves counted in the principal veins of 7 thoracic and 7 pelvic limbs from 7 horses. Our results showe...
Comparison of invasive and noninvasive blood pressure measurements in anaesthetized horses using the Surgivet V9203.
Veterinary anaesthesia and analgesia    August 27, 2015   Volume 43, Issue 3 301-308 doi: 10.1111/vaa.12297
Drynan EA, Schier M, Raisis AL.To determine the bias and precision of noninvasive versus invasive blood pressure measurements obtained using the Surgivet V9203 in anaesthetized horses; to compare these with the current American College of Veterinary Internal Medicine Hypertension Consensus Panel (AHCP) and Veterinary Blood Pressure Society (VBPS) recommendations; and to investigate whether noninvasive blood pressure monitoring could be a clinically useful alternative to invasive blood pressure monitoring in anaesthetized horses. Methods: Prospective clinical study in a university teaching hospital. Methods: Forty-three hors...
Real-time characterization of the uterine blood flow in mares before and after artificial insemination.
Animal reproduction science    August 10, 2015   Volume 160 90-96 doi: 10.1016/j.anireprosci.2015.07.008
Ferreira JC, Ignácio FS, Rocha NS, Thompson DL, Pinto CR, Meira C.The present experiment was divided into two studies to investigate the effect of age and endometrial degeneration on uterine blood flow of mares throughout the immediate post-breeding period. In study 1, uterine blood flow was characterized in mares (n = 7 mares/group) with minimal, moderate or severe endometrial degenerative changes (GI, GII and GIII, respectively). In study 2, the effect of age was investigated using young (≤ 6 years) and old (≥ 15 years) mares (n = 7 mares/group). Uterine vascular perfusion and mesometrial pulsatility index (PI) were evaluated every hour from H0 (moment...
Effects of 10% hydroxyethyl starch (HES 200/0.5) solution in intraoperative fluid therapy management of horses undergoing elective surgical procedures.
Veterinary journal (London, England : 1997)    July 23, 2015   Volume 206, Issue 3 398-403 doi: 10.1016/j.tvjl.2015.07.021
Brünisholz HP, Schwarzwald CC, Bettschart-Wolfensberger R, Ringer SK.The aim of the present study was to investigate the effect of pentastarch on colloid osmotic pressure (COP) and cardiopulmonary function during and up to 24 h after anaesthesia in horses. Twenty-five systemically healthy horses were anaesthetised using isoflurane-medetomidine balanced anaesthesia. Twelve were assigned to treatment with hydroxyethyl starch (HES) (H group) and 13 to no HES (NH group). In the H group, 6 mL/kg of pentastarch 10% HES (200/0.5) was infused over 1 h starting 30 min after induction of anaesthesia. Horses of the NH group received an equal amount of lactated Ringer's so...
Analytical validation of a high-sensitivity cardiac troponin T assay in horses. Van Der Vekens N, van Dievoet MA, De Puydt H, Decloedt A, Ven S, De Clercq D, Deprez P, van Loon G.Although cardiac troponin T (cTnT) assays have been used to detect myocardial damage in horses, a cTnT assay has not been analytically validated, to our knowledge. The aims of this study were to estimate the precision of a high-sensitivity cTnT assay in horses and determine the effect of hemolysis on the measured cTnT concentration. Serum samples from horses were mixed in 3 different pools. Pool 1 consisted of samples from 3 healthy horses, pool 2 from 6 horses with heart failure or atypical myopathy, and pool 3 from 10 horses with atypical myopathy. The within- and between-run coefficients of...
Evaluation of the non-calibrated pulse contour cardiac output monitor FloTrac/Vigileo against thermodilution in standing horses.
Veterinary anaesthesia and analgesia    June 11, 2015   Volume 43, Issue 2 153-162 doi: 10.1111/vaa.12281
Kutter AP, Bettschart-Wolfensberger R, Schwarzwald CC, Portier KG, Ringer SK.To evaluate the non-calibrated, minimally invasive cardiac output (CO) monitor FloTrac/Vigileo (FloTrac) against thermodilution (TD) CO in standing horses. Methods: Prospective, experimental trial. Methods: Nine adult horses weighing a median (range) of 535 (470-602) kg. Methods: Catheters were placed in the right atrium, pulmonary artery and carotid artery under local anaesthesia. CO was measured 147 times by TD and FloTrac and indexed to body weight. Changes in CO were achieved with romifidine or xylazine and dobutamine constant rate infusions. Bland-Altman analysis, concordance and polar pl...
Equivalence between invasive and oscillometric blood pressures at different anatomic locations in healthy normotensive anaesthetised horses.
Equine veterinary journal    May 23, 2015   Volume 48, Issue 3 357-361 doi: 10.1111/evj.12443
Tearney CC, Guedes AG, Brosnan RJ.Accurate blood pressure measurement is essential for effective clinical assessment and appropriate interventions in anaesthetised horses. Information on the accuracy of oscillometry for blood pressure measurement on the appendages of mature horses is limited. Objective: To assess equivalence between invasive and oscillometric blood pressures at different anatomic locations in horses. Methods: Prospective experimental study using 6 healthy mature horses. Methods: Blood pressure was measured invasively in the right transverse facial artery and noninvasively by oscillometry in nondependent limbs ...
Effect of dantrolene premedication on various cardiovascular and biochemical variables and the recovery in healthy isoflurane-anesthetized horses.
American journal of veterinary research    March 31, 2015   Volume 76, Issue 4 293-301 doi: 10.2460/ajvr.76.4.293
McKenzie EC, Di Concetto S, Payton ME, Mandsager RE, Arko M.To determine the effect of dantrolene premedication on various cardiovascular and biochemical variables and recovery in isoflurane-anesthetized horses. Methods: 6 healthy horses. Methods: Each horse was anesthetized twice with a 21- to 28-day washout period between anesthetic sessions. Food was not withheld from horses before either session. During each session, dantrolene (6 mg/kg in 2 L of water) or water (2 L) was administered via a nasogastric tube 1 hour before anesthesia was induced. Anesthesia was maintained with isoflurane for 90 minutes, during which blood gas analyses and lithium-dil...
[Louis Desliens’ contributions to modern cardiac exploration. Results of the cardiac catheterization in the horse].
Bulletin de l'Academie nationale de medecine    February 1, 2015   Volume 199, Issue 2-3 401-410 
Braganti G.In 1916 Louis Desliens, veterinary practitioner; submitted to the Academy of Sciences a description of a new way of exploring the cardiovascular system: percutaneous catheteri- zation. In 1935 he published the results of thirty years of explorations in hemodynamics mainly in horses: physiology, pathophysiology and pharmacodynamics. The text considers the very pioneering nature of these studies.
Cardiovascular effects of total intravenous anesthesia using ketamine-medetomidine-propofol (KMP-TIVA) in horses undergoing surgery.
The Journal of veterinary medical science    November 19, 2014   Volume 77, Issue 3 281-288 doi: 10.1292/jvms.14-0370
Umar MA, Fukui S, Kawase K, Itami T, Yamashita K.Cardiovascular effects of total intravenous anesthesia using ketamine-medetomidine-propofol drug combination (KMP-TIVA) were determined in 5 Thoroughbred horses undergoing surgery. The horses were anesthetized with intravenous administration (IV) of ketamine (2.5 mg/kg) and midazolam (0.04 mg/kg) following premedication with medetomidne (5 µg/kg, IV) and artificially ventilated. Surgical anesthesia was maintained by controlling propofol infusion rate (initially 0.20 mg/kg/min following an IV loading dose of 0.5 mg/kg) and constant rate infusions of ketamine (1 mg/kg/hr) and medetomidine (1.25...
Effects of intermittent positive pressure ventilation on cardiopulmonary function in horses anesthetized with total intravenous anesthesia using combination of medetomidine, lidocaine, butorphanol and propofol (MLBP-TIVA).
The Journal of veterinary medical science    September 3, 2014   Volume 76, Issue 12 1577-1582 doi: 10.1292/jvms.14-0077
Ishizuka T, Tamura J, Nagaro T, Sudo K, Itami T, Umar MA, Miyoshi K, Sano T, Yamashita K.Effects of intermittent positive pressure ventilation (IPPV) on cardiopulmonary function were evaluated in horses anesthetized with total intravenous anesthesia using constant rate infusions of medetomidine (3.5 µg/kg/hr), lidocaine (3 mg/kg/hr), butorphanol (24 µg/kg/hr) and propofol (0.1 mg/kg/min) (MLBP-TIVA). Five horses were anesthetized twice using MLBP-TIVA with or without IPPV at 4-week interval (crossover study). In each occasion, the horses breathed 100% oxygen with spontaneous ventilation (SB-group, n=5) or with IPPV (CV-group, n=5), and changes in cardiopulmonary parameters were ...
1 3 4 5 6 7 31