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The physiology of horses encompasses the study of the biological functions and processes that occur within the equine body. This includes the examination of various systems such as the cardiovascular, respiratory, musculoskeletal, digestive, and nervous systems. Understanding equine physiology is essential for comprehending how horses adapt to different environmental conditions, perform physical activities, and respond to health challenges. Research in this field often focuses on the mechanisms of energy metabolism, thermoregulation, and muscle function during exercise, as well as the physiological responses to stress and disease. This page compiles peer-reviewed research studies and scholarly articles that explore the diverse aspects of equine physiology, providing insights into the biological processes that support the health and performance of horses.
Detection of bicarbonate administration (milkshake) in standardbred horses.
Australian veterinary journal    September 1, 1993   Volume 70, Issue 9 336-340 doi: 10.1111/j.1751-0813.1993.tb00879.x
Auer DE, Skelton KV, Tay S, Baldock FC.Total plasma carbon dioxide (TCO2) concentrations were measured in Standardbred horses to determine criteria to discriminate between normal horses and horses with excessive TCO2 concentrations on raceday. TCO2 concentrations from stabled horses were distributed normally with a mean of 30.2 mmol/L and a standard deviation of 1.2 (n = 192) while pre-race TCO2 concentrations were not normally distributed. The results indicate that about 50 horses per million are likely to have TCO2 concentrations greater than or equal to 35 mmol/L and that it is extremely unlikely that a normal horse would have a...
Purification and characterization of equine complement factor C3.
Veterinary immunology and immunopathology    September 1, 1993   Volume 38, Issue 1-2 139-153 doi: 10.1016/0165-2427(93)90119-o
Boschwitz JS, Timoney JF.A rapid method for purifying equine C3 which yields milligram quantities of pure C3 is described. Protein from equine plasma was selectively precipitated with polyethylene glycol, and the C3 was purified by anionic and cationic exchange HPLC. The yield from this procedure was 12%. The purified C3 was composed of an alpha chain (118 kD) and a beta chain (68 kD) linked by at least one disulfide bond, and it had an isoelectric point of 4.7. Amino acid analysis indicated a strong conservation of amino acid usage between equine and human C3. The N-terminal sequences of the alpha and beta chains wer...
Effects of neodymium:yttrium aluminum garnet laser irradiation on endometrium and on endometrial cysts in six mares.
Veterinary surgery : VS    September 1, 1993   Volume 22, Issue 5 351-356 doi: 10.1111/j.1532-950x.1993.tb00411.x
Blikslager AT, Tate LP, Weinstock D.Effects of neodymium:yttrium aluminum garnet (Nd:YAG) laser irradiation on equine endometrium were evaluated in vitro and in six mares with endometrial cysts. The Nd:YAG laser was applied to six endometrial sites, in each of five uterine specimens, with power densities of 5659 to 33,954 J/cm2. Depth of tissue ablation was measured and graded on histologic sections of the tissue lesions. Power density had a significant effect on the depth of tissue ablation (p < .001). Grade 3 lesions (full-thickness ablation of the endometrium) were created with energy densities of 16,977 to 33,954 J/cm2. Six ...
Measurement of 24-h gastric pH using an indwelling pH electrode in horses unfed, fed and treated with ranitidine.
Equine veterinary journal    September 1, 1993   Volume 25, Issue 5 417-421 doi: 10.1111/j.2042-3306.1993.tb02983.x
Murray MJ, Schusser GF.A glass combined pH-reference electrode was placed in the stomachs of 5 adult horses and pH was recorded every 6 mins for 24 h while (1) feed and all bedding materials were withheld for 24 h (unfed), (2) horses had free access to Timothy grass hay for 24 h (fed), and (3) horses had free access to Timothy grass hay and were treated with ranitidine, 6.6 mg/kg body weight, orally, every 8 h for 48 h (fed + ranitidine). There was a significant (P = 0.007) difference in median 24-h gastric pH amongst the 3 protocols, the value being 3.1 in fed horses and 1.55 in unfed horses (P = 0.05) and 4.6 in f...
Furosemide magnifies the exercise-induced elevation of plasma vasopressin concentration in horses.
Research in veterinary science    September 1, 1993   Volume 55, Issue 2 151-155 doi: 10.1016/0034-5288(93)90074-p
McKeever KH, Hinchcliff KW, Cooley JL, Lamb DR.The purpose of this study was to test the hypothesis that furosemide administration before exercise would cause greater increases in plasma arginine vasopressin (AVP) concentration in exercising horses than exercise alone. Six adult, clinically normal, unfit mares underwent three randomly ordered 60 minute standard exercise tests on an equine treadmill to examine the effect of furosemide administration on plasma AVP concentration. In one trial, furosemide (1 mg kg-1) was infused four hours before exercise (FUR-4) and a placebo (10 ml saline) was infused two minutes before exercise; in another ...
Serum tumor necrosis factor alpha concentrations and clinical abnormalities in colostrum-fed and colostrum-deprived neonatal foals given endotoxin.
American journal of veterinary research    September 1, 1993   Volume 54, Issue 9 1404-1410 
Allen GK, Green EM, Robinson JA, Garner HE, Loch WE, Walsh DM.We examined the effect of infusion of lipopolysaccharide (LPS) on serum tumor necrosis factor alpha (TNF alpha) concentration and clinical attitude in 2- 3-day-old colostrum-fed (CF) and colostrum-deprived (CD) foals. Eleven CF and 8 CD neonatal foals were given a bolus i.v. infusion of Escherichia coli O55:B5 lipopolysaccharide (0.5 microgram/kg of body weight) in sterile saline (0.9% NaCl) solution. Four CF and 2 CD foals were given saline solution alone. Serum IgG concentration and serum anti-LPS IgG(T) antibody titer were determined for each foal prior to infusion. A depression index was u...
Intramuscular distribution of fibre types in the gluteus medius of the horse: a histochemical analysis.
Anatomia, histologia, embryologia    September 1, 1993   Volume 22, Issue 3 233-240 doi: 10.1111/j.1439-0264.1993.tb00361.x
López-Rivero JL, Diz AM, Monterde JG, Agüera E.The results from a recent study by Bruce and Schurg (1990) indicate that the gluteus medius (Gm) of the horse is a complex muscle subdivided by an internal tendinous sheet into two regions (dorsal and ventral) which may subserve different functions. In the present study, both regions were found to contain a similar proportion of histochemically-determined muscle fibre types. Fibre type composition did not generally vary over the length of the muscle at the same relative depth. In contrast, there was a significant tendency for the percentage of type I fibres to increase gradually in accordance ...
Independent modulation of horse airway smooth muscle by epithelium and prostanoids.
Respiration physiology    September 1, 1993   Volume 93, Issue 3 279-288 doi: 10.1016/0034-5687(93)90074-k
Yu M, Robinson NE, Wang Z, Derksen FJ.The effects of epithelial removal and cyclooxygenase inhibition on contractions induced by exogenous acetylcholine (ACh) and electrical field stimulation (EFS) were evaluated in horse tracheal strips and bronchial rings. Epithelial removal potentiated the response to ACh but had no influence on the response to EFS. The effect of epithelial removal was not altered by pretreating the tissues with meclofenamate, a cyclooxygenase inhibitor. In trachealis strips, meclofenamate augmented contractions induced by EFS but not by ACh. In bronchial rings, meclofenamate augmented EFS-induced contraction t...
Stress failure of pulmonary capillaries in racehorses with exercise-induced pulmonary hemorrhage.
Journal of applied physiology (Bethesda, Md. : 1985)    September 1, 1993   Volume 75, Issue 3 1097-1109 doi: 10.1152/jappl.1993.75.3.1097
West JB, Mathieu-Costello O, Jones JH, Birks EK, Logemann RB, Pascoe JR, Tyler WS.Bleeding into the lungs in thoroughbreds is extremely common; there is evidence that it occurs in essentially all horses in training. However, the mechanism is unknown. We tested the hypothesis that exercise-induced pulmonary hemorrhage (EIPH) is caused by stress failure of pulmonary capillaries. Three thoroughbreds with known EIPH were galloped on a treadmill, and after the horses were killed with intravenous barbiturate the lungs were removed, inflated, and fixed for electron microscopy. Ultrastructural studies showed evidence of stress failure of pulmonary capillaries, including disruptions...
Pulmonary haemodynamics in the exercising horse and their relationship to exercise-induced pulmonary haemorrhage.
The British veterinary journal    September 1, 1993   Volume 149, Issue 5 419-428 doi: 10.1016/S0007-1935(05)80108-3
Manohar M, Hutchens E, Coney E.Exercise-induced pulmonary haemorrhage (EIPH) is a common occurrence in race horses. Although blood in cases of EIPH has been suspected to originate from the bronchial circulation, which receives approximately 1% of the left ventricular output, physiological evidence has recently emerged to indicate that the pulmonary circulation, which receives the entire output of the right ventricle, is a more likely source. High transmural pulmonary capillary pressures have been shown to cause breaks in the capillary endothelium, basement membrane as well as in the alveolar epithelium. Blood constituents e...
Twenty-four hour gastric pH monitoring and blood gastrin concentrations in fasted ponies.
Research in veterinary science    September 1, 1993   Volume 55, Issue 2 261-264 doi: 10.1016/0034-5288(93)90091-s
Baker SJ, Gerring EL, Fox MT.Gastric pH varied widely among eight fasted ponies, of which seven exhibited discrete episodes of spontaneous alkalinisation (SA). SA occurred at all times of the study and no significant variation in the summary variables of pH (median pH, mean pH and percentage of readings exceeding pH 4.0) was noted among the periods 0 to eight, eight to 16 and 16 to 24 hours. The occurrence of SA has significant implications for the performance of acid secretory studies in the fasted pony. There was, however, no significant correlation between pH and plasma gastrin concentration measured using a commercial...
Serum interleukin-6 concentrations in endotoxin-infused neonatal foals.
American journal of veterinary research    September 1, 1993   Volume 54, Issue 9 1411-1414 
Robinson JA, Allen GK, Green EM, Garner HE, Loch WE, Walsh DM.Serum interleukin-6 (IL-6) concentration was measured in 11 colostrum-fed (CF) and 8 colostrum-deprived (CD) 2- to 3-day-old foals after foals were infused with lipopolysaccharide (LPS; Escherichia coli O55:B5 endotoxin, 0.5 microgram/kg of body weight in sterile saline [0.9% NaCl] solution). Four CF and 2 CD foals were given saline solution alone. Serum IL-6 concentration was estimated by use of an in vitro proliferative bioassay, using the IL-6 dependent B.13.29 clone 9 cells. Interleukin-6 concentration increased in all LPS-infused foals, and geometric mean serum IL-6 concentration was sign...
In vitro interaction between oviduct epithelial and equine sperm.
Archives of andrology    September 1, 1993   Volume 31, Issue 2 79-86 doi: 10.3109/01485019308988384
Ellington JE, Ignotz GG, Varner DD, Marcucio RS, Mathison P, Ball BA.Coculture of stallion sperm with monolayers of equine oviductal epithelial cells (OEC) was evaluated. Monolayers were obtained from frozen-thawed OEC. Live sperm attached to the OEC in vitro, whereas sperm killed by heat treatment or glutaraldehyde fixation did not. Sperm attached to OEC showed flagellar motion for 4 d in vitro, during which time they gradually became released. Scanning electron-micrographs showed an intimate association between the sperm and OEC. Incubation of sperm for 4 h with either control, heparinized or OEC-conditioned medium (Tyrode's albumin lactate phosphate) resulte...
Growth of small follicles and concentrations of FSH during the equine oestrous cycle.
Journal of reproduction and fertility    September 1, 1993   Volume 99, Issue 1 105-111 doi: 10.1530/jrf.0.0990105
Ginther OJ, Bergfelt DR.The temporal associations between increases in FSH and growth of small follicles (2-20 mm) were studied during one oestrous cycle (ovulation to ovulation) in 15 horse mares. Follicular diameters were obtained ultrasonically. For each day, follicles were combined for both ovaries, grouped from largest to smallest (excluding dominant follicles), and divided into three to five tiers of six follicles for each mare (for example: tier 1, six largest follicles; tier 2, next six largest follicles). A significant increase in mean diameters followed by a significant decrease was used to define a follicu...
Purification and characterization of a form of P450 from horse liver microsomes.
Journal of biochemistry    September 1, 1993   Volume 114, Issue 3 445-448 doi: 10.1093/oxfordjournals.jbchem.a124195
Komori M, Higami A, Imai Y, Imaoka S, Funae Y.A form of P450 [termed P450(h-1)] was purified from the liver microsomes of a male horse to electrophoretic homogeneity. The specific content of the final P450(h-1) preparation was 14.8 nmol/mg of protein and the recovery was 0.38% of the microsomal P450. The apparent molecular weight of P450(h-1) was 52,000 Da. The absorption spectra of P450(h-1) indicated that P450(h-1) was a low- and high-spin mixed type P450 in the oxidized form. The reconstituted system containing P450(h-1) could catalyze benzphetamine N-demethylation, 7-ethoxycoumarin O-deethylation, and testosterone 16 alpha-hydroxylati...
Giant and binucleate trophoblast cells of mammals.
The Journal of experimental zoology    September 1, 1993   Volume 266, Issue 6 559-577 doi: 10.1002/jez.1402660607
Hoffman LH, Wooding FB.The cellular origin, structure, and function of trophoblastic giant cells (GC) and binucleate cells (BNC) are reviewed. Mammals in which these cells have received the greatest attention include rodents, rabbits, and humans (GCs), and ruminants and equids (BNCs). In almost all cases these cells arise from the cytotrophoblast. All are large cells and contain either two diploid nuclei (BNCs), multiple nuclei (human placental bed GCs), or single nuclei with amplified DNA content (rodent and rabbit GCs). Giant and binucleate cells typically exhibit the capacity for migration or invasion, although t...
Capacitation-like membrane changes and prolonged viability in vitro of equine spermatozoa cultured with uterine tube epithelial cells.
American journal of veterinary research    September 1, 1993   Volume 54, Issue 9 1505-1510 
Ellington JE, Ball BA, Blue BJ, Wilker CE.Reliable capacitation of equine spermatozoa has been a major obstacle in the development of equine in vitro fertilization. Experiments were done to compare in vitro capacitation of equine spermatozoa by use of heparin/caffeine, calcium ionophore, uterine tube epithelial cell (UTEC)-conditioned medium, and direct culturing of spermatozoa with UTEC (coculturing). Capacitation-like changes, as determined by chlortetracycline membrane staining patterns, developed with UTEC-conditioned medium and coculturing, equivalent to that with calcium ionophore. Both of these treatments induced more (P < 0.05...
Determination of the optimal treadmill slope for reproducing the same cardiac response in saddle horses as overground exercise conditions.
The Veterinary record    August 21, 1993   Volume 133, Issue 8 183-185 doi: 10.1136/vr.133.8.183
Barrey E, Galloux P, Valette JP, Auvinet B, Wolter R.The purpose of this study was to define the most suitable treadmill slope for reproducing the same heart rate response as in horses being ridden on a track. Seven French saddle horses were exercised first on a level turf track and then on a treadmill. On the track the exercise test consisted of four periods of three minutes of increasing speeds at the trot and the gallop (96 to 600 m/minute). The treadmill exercise tests consisted of seven steps of increasing slope (0 to 9.6 per cent) at the trot (252 m/minute), followed, after an active recovery period at the walk with a 0 per cent slope, by ...
Stimulated decay of superoxide caused by ferritin-bound copper.
FEBS letters    August 16, 1993   Volume 328, Issue 3 263-267 doi: 10.1016/0014-5793(93)80940-v
Bolann BJ, Ulvik RJ.The redox interaction between O2.- and ferritin cannot solely be regarded as as a Fe(II) release reaction. We demonstrate that native copper bound to horse spleen ferritin and apoferritin, stimulated the decay of O2.- in a catalytic reaction. Copper was determined by atomic absorption spectrophotometry. Decay of O2.- was monitored spectrophotometrically as the decrease in (A250-A360) at pH 9.5. The catalytic effect was linearly related to the copper content of the protein. Ferritin copper was less efficient than equimolar CuCl2, and iron-poor ferritin was more efficient than iron-rich ferritin...
Nucleation of the iron core occurs at the three-fold channels of horse spleen apoferritin: an EXAFS study on the native and chemically-modified protein.
Biochimica et biophysica acta    August 7, 1993   Volume 1164, Issue 3 331-334 doi: 10.1016/0167-4838(93)90267-u
Strange R, Morante S, Stefanini S, Chiancone E, Desideri A.Extended X-ray absorbance fine structure measurements have been carried out on the initial Fe(III)-apoferritin complex at a Fe/subunit ratio of 2 in native and modified horse spleen apoferritin. Analysis of the data indicates that in the native protein the iron forms a protein-bound polynuclear cluster (Fe-Fe distance 3.4 A) with a first coordination sphere constituted by 5-6 low-Z atoms, e.g., nitrogen atoms, carboxylate-like ligands or oxo bridges between the iron atoms. Modification of Cys-126, a residue localized on the outer surface of the hydrophilic three-fold channels, with p-chloromer...
Equine fetal kinetics: Allantoic-fluid shifts and uterine-horn closures.
Theriogenology    August 1, 1993   Volume 40, Issue 2 241-256 doi: 10.1016/0093-691x(93)90262-4
Ginther OJ.Uterine filling by the conceptus and uterine constrictions and allantoic-fluid shifts after filling were studied by daily ultrasound examinations on Days 40 to 74 in 10 mares. Allantoic fluid was first detected at the extremities of the uterus on the following days: 1) tip of umbilical-cord horn, Day 60.0 +/-1.9 (mean +/-SEM); 2) tip of noncord horn, Day 64.8 +/-1.3; and 3) near cervix, Day 48.5 +/-1.3. Transient uterine constrictions with expulsion of allantoic fluid were detected in 37% of 271 examinations. Other end points were studied by weekly ultrasound examinations from Day 40 to term. ...
Oxidation of methionine residues in equine growth hormone by Chloramine-T.
The International journal of biochemistry    August 1, 1993   Volume 25, Issue 8 1189-1193 doi: 10.1016/0020-711x(93)90598-9
Mihajlovic V, Cascone O, Biscoglio de Jiménez Bonino MJ.1. Reactivity of methionine residues towards Chloramine-T was studied in the equine growth hormone. 2. With a 20.0-fold molar excess of reagent over methionine, full oxidation of the four residues of the protein is achieved. 3. Methionine 4 is the most reactive group, followed by methionines 72 and 178--methionine 123 being the less reactive residue. 4. As judged by circular dichroism spectra and binding assays, protein conformation and binding capacity to specific receptors remains unchanged even after full oxidation of all four methionine residues. 5. Results agree with data previously obtai...
Ultrasonographic measurement of stallion accessory sex glands and excurrent ducts during seminal emission and ejaculation.
Biology of reproduction    August 1, 1993   Volume 49, Issue 2 267-273 doi: 10.1095/biolreprod49.2.267
Weber JA, Woods GL.Accessory sex gland and excurrent duct activity of 10 stallions was visualized with transrectal ultrasonography during seminal emission and ejaculation. First and last penile urethral contractions were defined as the start (0 sec) and end of ejaculation, respectively. Duration of ejaculation (n = 63 ejaculations) averaged 6.15 +/- 2.98 sec. Penile urethral contractions occurred an average of 6.2 +/- 2.2 times per ejaculation. Right bulbourethral glands (n = 19 ejaculations) alternated repeatedly from ovoid to flattened, irregular shapes during ejaculation. Cross-sectional area of right bulbour...
Possible normokalemic variant of hyperkalemic periodic paralysis in two horses.
Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association    August 1, 1993   Volume 203, Issue 3 421-424 
Stewart RH, Bertone JJ, Yvorchuk-St Jean K, Reed SM, Neil WH.Hyperkalemic periodic paralysis (HPP), characterized by intermittent episodes of muscle fasciculations, profound muscle weakness, and hyperkalemia, has been described in Quarter Horses, Appaloosas, and Paints. In previous reports, the hallmark of this syndrome has been the development of hyperkalemia during each episode. Two affected horses had episodes of paralysis without associated hyperkalemia, demonstrating that normokalemia during an episode otherwise consistent with HPP does not eliminate HPP as a diagnosis. This clinical presentation appeared to be a variant of HPP.
Effects of Aspergillus oryzae fermentation extract on in vitro equine cecal fermentation.
Journal of animal science    August 1, 1993   Volume 71, Issue 8 2164-2172 doi: 10.2527/1993.7182164x
McDaniel AL, Martin SA, McCann JS, Parks AH.The objective of this study was to examine the effects of Aspergillus oryzae fermentation extract on the in vitro equine cecal fermentation of soluble starch, amino acids/peptides, coastal bermudagrass hay, and alfalfa hay. Cecal contents were obtained from a cecally fistulated Quarter Horse gelding fed coastal bermudagrass and grain (70:30) either unadapted or adapted to dietary A. oryzae supplementation (2 g/d). Mixed cecal microorganisms were incubated in anaerobic media for either 24 h (soluble starch, amino acids) or 48 h (bermudagrass hay, alfalfa hay). A. oryzae was added to the incubat...
ECG of the month. Incomplete interference AV dissociation with a junctional rhythm in a horse.
Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association    August 1, 1993   Volume 203, Issue 3 373-375 
Day TK.No abstract available
[Ganglioside GM3 from horse erythrocytes: structure and effect on cell proliferation].
Bioorganicheskaia khimiia    August 1, 1993   Volume 19, Issue 8 817-824 
Menzeleev RF, Smirnova GP, Chekareva NV, Zvonkova EN, Krasnopol'skiĭ IuM, Shvets VI.An increase of the mouse fibroblast proliferation by ganglioside GM3 from equine erythrocytes is described. The structure of GM3 has been established on the basis of chemical methods, enzymatic degradation, GC-MS, as well as plasma desorption mass spectrometry and HPLC of 9-anthrylmethyl esters of gangliosides to characterize the long-chain base composition. The oligosaccharide moiety includes an N-glycolylneuraminic acid residue, whereas the main components of the lipid moiety are 20:1 sphingosine and 24:0 fatty acids.
Modulation of gonadotropin-releasing hormone-stimulated luteinizing hormone release in cultured male equine anterior pituitary cells by gonadal steroids.
Biology of reproduction    August 1, 1993   Volume 49, Issue 2 340-345 doi: 10.1095/biolreprod49.2.340
Muyan M, Roser JF, Dybdal N, Baldwin DM.The objective of the present study was to determine whether the testicular steroids, i.e., testosterone (T), dihydrotestosterone (DHT), estradiol (E2), estrone (E1), and estrone sulfate (E1SO4), play a physiological role in regulating LH release in the male horse by direct actions at the anterior pituitary gland. Enzymatically dispersed anterior pituitary cells from stallions (n = 4) or geldings (n = 3) were cultured for 48 h in alpha-modified Eagle's medium containing 10% steroid-free horse medium. To determine the effects of the steroids on the LH response to GnRH, the cells were incubated f...
Equine plasma and blood volumes decrease with dehydration but subsequently increase with exercise.
Journal of applied physiology (Bethesda, Md. : 1985)    August 1, 1993   Volume 75, Issue 2 1002-1008 doi: 10.1152/jappl.1993.75.2.1002
Naylor JR, Bayly WM, Schott HC, Gollnick PD, Hodgson DR.The effects of dehydration and 40 min of exercise at approximately 40% of maximal O2 consumption on plasma volume (PV) and blood volume (BV) were studied in six horses. Horses were exercised while euhydrated (C); 4 h after administration of furosemide (1.0 mg/kg i.v.; FDH), which induced isotonic dehydration; and after 30 h without water (DDH), which caused hypertonic dehydration. Dehydration resulted in decreases of 6.3 and 9.9% for PV and BV, respectively, with FDH and 10.7 and 8.5%, respectively, with DDH. During exercise in C, PV and BV increased by 12.7 and 20.0%, respectively; during exe...
Effects of dehydration on thermoregulatory responses of horses during low-intensity exercise.
Journal of applied physiology (Bethesda, Md. : 1985)    August 1, 1993   Volume 75, Issue 2 994-1001 doi: 10.1152/jappl.1993.75.2.994
Naylor JR, Bayly WM, Gollnick PD, Brengelmann GL, Hodgson DR.Effects of dehydration on thermoregulatory and metabolic responses were studied in six horses during 40 min of exercise eliciting approximately 40% of maximal O2 consumption and for 30 min after exercise. Horses were exercised while euhydrated (C), 4 h after administration of furosemide (FDH; 1.0 mg/kg i.v.) to induce isotonic dehydration, and after 30 h without water (DDH) to induce hypertonic dehydration. Cardiac output was significantly lower in FDH (144.1 +/- 8.0 l/min) and in DDH (156.6 +/- 6.9 l/min) than in C (173.1 +/- 6.2 l/min) after 30 min of exercise. When DDH, FDH, and C values we...