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Urine analysis in horses involves the examination of urine to assess the health and physiological status of the animal. This diagnostic tool provides insights into the renal function, hydration status, and potential presence of systemic diseases. Key parameters evaluated in equine urine analysis include pH, specific gravity, protein levels, glucose, ketones, and the presence of blood or sediment. Variations in these parameters can indicate metabolic disorders, infections, or other health issues. This page compiles peer-reviewed research studies and scholarly articles that explore the methodologies, findings, and clinical implications of urine analysis in equine veterinary practice.
Disposition of human drug preparations in the horse. VI. Tiaprofenic acid.
Journal of chromatography. B, Biomedical sciences and applications    March 28, 1998   Volume 704, Issue 1-2 207-214 doi: 10.1016/s0378-4347(97)00461-1
Delbeke FT, Baert K, De Backer P.Urinary and plasma concentrations of the nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug tiaprofenic acid were determined following oral and intramuscular administration of a dose of 1 g to five fasted horses. Quantitation was performed by high-performance liquid chromatography (HPLC). The limit of quantitation (LOQ) was 0.1 microg/ml and 0.5 microg/ml in 2 ml plasma and 1 ml urine, respectively. Assay precision and extraction recovery were between acceptable values. Tiaprofenic acid pharmacokinetics were described by non-compartment analysis of the data. Absorption was faster after oral administration as...
Uptake of drugs from topically applied anti-inflammatory preparations applied to racing animals.
Australian veterinary journal    February 20, 1998   Volume 75, Issue 12 897-901 doi: 10.1111/j.1751-0813.1997.tb11261.x
Thomas AD, Bowater IC, Vine JH, McLean JG.To determine whether a drug detected in the blood or urine of a racing animal could have penetrated through the skin from a topically applied preparation. Methods: Blood and urine of dogs and horses were analysed after topical administration of three common nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory preparations. Methods: Dimethylsulphoxide was analysed using a gas chromatograph with a flame photometric detector. Phenylbutazone, its metabolites and lignocaine were analysed using a gas chromatograph with a mass selective detector. Results: Dimethylsulphoxide, phenylbutazone and lignocaine were detected in ...
[Cortisol levels in blood and urine of trotting horses].
Berliner und Munchener tierarztliche Wochenschrift    February 6, 1998   Volume 110, Issue 11-12 456-460 
Hagedorn HW, Schulz R.Statistical analysis of normally occurring cortisol levels in serum and urine of horses served to recommend thresholds for this corticosteroid in these body fluids, as application of exogenous cortisol as well as ACTH may elevate the cortisol concentrations above the proposed threshold. The present study contributes to the general issue of how to establish thresholds for trotting horses upon sportive examination. 100 randomly selected post competition serum and urine samples, respectively, were submitted to cortisol analysis by means of HPLC. Concentrations of the endogenous corticosteroid in ...
Detection of exogenous hydrocortisone in horse urine by gas chromatography-combustion-carbon isotope ratio mass spectrometry.
Journal of chromatography. B, Biomedical sciences and applications    February 4, 1998   Volume 702, Issue 1-2 85-91 doi: 10.1016/s0378-4347(97)00375-7
Aguilera R, Becchi M, Mateus L, Popot MA, Bonnaire Y, Casabianca H, Hatton CK.A gas chromatography-combustion-isotope ratio mass spectrometry method for confirmation of hydrocortisone abuse in horseracing and equine sports is proposed. Urinary hydrocortisone was converted to a bismethylenedioxy derivative which presents good gas chromatographic properties and brings an extra carbon contribution of only two carbon atoms. Synthetic hydrocortisone has a different 13C abundance from that of natural urinary horse hydrocortisone and the difference is significant, therefore exogenous and endogenous hydrocortisone can be distinguished.
Pharmacokinetics of intravenous and intragastric cimetidine in horses. I. Effects of intravenous cimetidine on pharmacokinetics of intravenous phenylbutazone.
Journal of veterinary pharmacology and therapeutics    November 14, 1997   Volume 20, Issue 5 355-361 doi: 10.1046/j.1365-2885.1997.00083.x
Sams RA, Gerken DF, Dyke TM, Reed SM, Ashcraft SM.Cimetidine was administered intravenously and by the intragastric route to six mares at a dose of 4.0 mg/kg of body weight (bw). Specific and sensitive high performance liquid chromatographic methods for the determination of cimetidine in horse plasma and urine and cimetidine sulfoxide in urine are described. Plasma cimetidine concentration vs. time data were analysed by non-linear least squares regression analysis to determine pharmacokinetic parameter estimates. The median (range) plasma clearance (Cl) was 8.20 (4.96-10.2) mL/min.kg of body weight, that of the steady-state volume of distribu...
The use of ELISA tests and immunoaffinity chromatography combined with reversed-phase high-performance liquid chromatography for dexamethasone detection in equine urine.
Journal of analytical toxicology    September 1, 1997   Volume 21, Issue 5 393-396 doi: 10.1093/jat/21.5.393
Ribeiro Neto LM, Spinosa HS, Salvadori MC.Dexamethasone is a corticosteroid drug widely used in racehorses because of its anti-inflammatory effect. It is, therefore, frequently detected in antidoping tests. A method for the antidoping control of dexamethasone in equine urine using screening by ELISA and confirmation by immunoaffinity chromatography combined with reversed-phase high-performance liquid chromatography-diode array detection (HPLC-DAD) is described. The ELISA test is frequently used in antidoping tests for its sensitivity, relative speed, and low cost. The test showed linearity in the range of 4-500 ng/mL of urine, and the...
Persistent hyperammonemia in two related Morgan weanlings.
Journal of veterinary internal medicine    July 1, 1997   Volume 11, Issue 4 264-266 doi: 10.1111/j.1939-1676.1997.tb00101.x
McCornico RS, Duckett WM, Wood PA.Persistent hyperammonemia was diagnosed in 2 Morgan fillies with clinical signs that developed early in the postweaning period. Diagnostic evaluation, including routine serum chemistries, CBC, liver biopsy, hepatic ultrasonography, liver function test, and necropsy findings did not support a toxic, developmental, or infectious cause. Abnormal serum amino acid and urine orotic acid concentrations suggest that the foals may have had an inherited disorders described in humans as hyperornithinemia, hyperammonemia, and homocitrullinuria (HHH) syndrome. The disorder is thought to be caused by a defe...
Determination of methocarbamol in equine serum and urine by high-performance liquid chromatography with ultraviolet detection and atmospheric pressure ionization-mass spectrometric confirmation.
Journal of analytical toxicology    July 1, 1997   Volume 21, Issue 4 301-305 doi: 10.1093/jat/21.4.301
Koupai-Abyazani MR, Esaw B, Laviolette B.Urine and serum samples collected from four standard-bred mares after and oral regimen administration of methocarbamol were extracted and analyzed. The method consisted of enzyme hydrolysis followed by a one-step liquid-liquid extraction, separation on a reversed-phase (RP-18) column, and detection using an ultraviolet (UV) detector. The confirmation was carried out using a liquid chromatography-atmospheric pressure ionization-mass spectrometry (LC-API-MS) system. Maximum methocarbamol concentrations of 1498, 1734, 1547, 2322 micrograms/mL in urine and 4.9, 1.7, and 3.6 micrograms/mL in serum ...
Effect of sodium bicarbonate administration on renal function of horses.
American journal of veterinary research    June 1, 1997   Volume 58, Issue 6 664-671 
Rivas LJ, Hinchcliff KW, Kohn CW, Sams RA, Chew DJ.To describe changes in renal function of horses after oral and i.v. administration of sodium bicarbonate (NaHCO3) and to determine whether changes are dose dependent. Methods: 6 Standardbred mares. Methods: Blood and urine samples for determination of renal function were collected immediately before and at hourly intervals for 12 hours after administration of each of 3 oral doses (1,500, 1,000 and 250 mg/kg of body weight, in 3 L of water) and 1 i.v. dose (250 mg/kg, 5% solution) of NaHCO3, or water (3 L orally). Results: NaHCO3 induced increases in urine flow; electrolyte-free water reabsorpt...
Cortisol concentrations in post competition horse urine: a French and British survey.
Equine veterinary journal    May 1, 1997   Volume 29, Issue 3 226-229 doi: 10.1111/j.2042-3306.1997.tb01673.x
Popot MA, Houghton E, Ginn A, Jones M, Teale P, Samuels T, Lassourd V, Dunnett N, Cowan DA, Bonnaire Y, Toutain PL.The purpose of the present report was to estimate the population parameters of cortisol concentrations in urine, an endogenous hormone used as a 'doping' agent and for which an international threshold (1.0 micrograms/ml) has been proposed. Two data bases (French and UK) corresponding to 112 and 142 samples, respectively were considered. Urine was collected under specific post competition conditions. Cortisol concentrations were obtained by validated methods (HPLC for the French samples, and GC-MS for UK samples). No difference was observed between the 2 data sets and statistical analyses were ...
A unique metabolite of nimesulide.
Journal of analytical toxicology    May 1, 1997   Volume 21, Issue 3 197-202 doi: 10.1093/jat/21.3.197
Sarkar P, McIntosh JM, Leavitt R, Gouthro H.Nimesulide is a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug recently detected in equine blood and urine samples taken at the race track. The detection of the drug in a blood sample led to the identification of an unknown thin-layer chromatographic (TLC) spot in track urine samples as a metabolite of nimesulide. Characterization of the unknown TLC spot and comparison with the synthesized compound shows that the unknown TLC spot is a previously unreported equine metabolite of nimesulide. The metabolite was identified as resulting from the reduction of the nitro group on nimesulide to an amino group. Thi...
Determination of flunixin in equine urine and serum by capillary electrophoresis.
Journal of chromatography. B, Biomedical sciences and applications    April 25, 1997   Volume 692, Issue 1 187-198 doi: 10.1016/s0378-4347(96)00393-3
Gu X, Meleka-Boules M, Chen CL, Ceska DM, Tiffany DM.A capillary electrophoresis (CE) and a solid-phase extraction method was developed for the determination of flunixin in equine urine and serum. The suitable CE run conditions were described. The factors affecting flunixin recovery rates were investigated and optimum solid-phase extraction conditions for flunixin in equine urine and serum were established. Limits of detection and quantitation were 3.4 and 5.6 ng/ml for serum and 16.9 and 33.1 ng/ml for urine, respectively. The recoveries exceeded 96% for urine and 79% for serum. Urine samples from race horses and urine and serum samples from a ...
Monoclonal gammopathy in a Dutch warmblood mare.
The veterinary quarterly    March 1, 1997   Volume 19, Issue 1 29-32 doi: 10.1080/01652176.1997.9694734
Geelen SN, Bernadina WE, Grinwis GC, Kalsbeek HC.A 15-year-old Dutch warmblood mare was presented because of lethargy, which had been present for several weeks, and severe anaemia. Total protein was high and serum electrophoresis revealed a monoclonal peak in the alpha-2 region. Monoclonal immunoglobulin, IgG(T), was detected by immuno-electrophoresis in serum and urine. Postmortem examination revealed a relatively large number of plasmacytoid cells in the bone marrow and a monotonous population of plasmacytoid cells in the spleen. These findings are suggestive of a plasma cell myeloma.
Pharmacokinetics of intravenous and oral prethcamide in horses.
Journal of pharmaceutical and biomedical analysis    February 1, 1997   Volume 15, Issue 5 639-651 doi: 10.1016/s0731-7085(96)01885-7
Sams RA, Gerken DF, Ashcraft SM.The respiratory stimulant prethcamide is a mixture of equal parts of crotethamide and cropropamide. A specific and sensitive gas chromatographic method for the determination of crotethamide and cropropamide in horse plasma and urine is described. Both components of prethcamide were extracted from plasma and urine into dichloromethane. The extracts were analyzed by capillary gas chromatography with thermionic detection in the nitrogen-specific detection mode. The lower limits of quantitation were 4.0 ng ml-1 of plasma and 10.0 ng ml-1 of urine. Calibration curves were linear from 2.0-100 ng ml-...
Solid-phase extraction and derivatisation methods for beta-blockers in human post mortem whole blood, urine and equine urine.
Journal of chromatography. B, Biomedical applications    October 11, 1996   Volume 685, Issue 1 67-80 doi: 10.1016/0378-4347(96)00140-5
Black SB, Stenhouse AM, Hansson RC.This paper details various rapid and sensitive methods for the extraction and derivatisation of propranolol, metoprolol, sotalol, atenolol, pindolol, timolol, oxprenolol, alprenolol and penbutolol in equine urine and in human post mortem whole blood and urine. Three solid-phase extraction methods are described involving the use of either XtrackT XRDAH515, Bond Elut Certify or Sep-Pak C18 cartridges. Two derivatisation methods are also described involving the formation of cyclised silyl or pentafluoropropionate derivatives with either chloromethyldimethylchlorosilane or pentafluoropropionic anh...
Theoretical relationship between the post-administration time and plasma or urinary concentration of a metabolite and the unchanged drug. Administration of caffeine to horses.
Biological & pharmaceutical bulletin    October 1, 1996   Volume 19, Issue 10 1341-1346 doi: 10.1248/bpb.19.1341
Aramaki S, Ishidaka O, Suzuki E, Momose A, Umemura K.In a doping test for racing horses, it is useful for the elucidation of the illegal use of drugs if one can estimate the time at which the detected drug was administered. In order to estimate the time which has elapsed after the administration of caffeine (CA) into horses, the ratios of concentration for the respective metabolites to the unchanged CA in the plasma or the urine were determined. These ratios have been known to be independent of the dose of CA. The relationship between [plasma or urinary concentration of a metabolite]/ [plasma or urinary concentration of the unchanged drug] and t...
[Enantioselectivity in the excretion of glucuronides of carprofen in man, dogs and horses].
Bulletin de l'Academie nationale de medecine    October 1, 1996   Volume 180, Issue 7 1565-1572 
Delatour P, Garnier F, Maire R.After administration of the racemic drug, the stereoselective quantification of the enantiomers of free and conjugated carprofen was performed in human plasma and in plasma, urine and bile of dogs and horses. In humans, the plasma profile of free carprofen and its glucuronides is not stereoselective and the glucuronides excreted in urine are close to a racemate. In dogs and horses on the contrary, the R(-) enantiomer of the free drug is predominant in plasma, while urine and/or bile concentrations of the glucuronides are high in comparison to plasma with a strong selectivity for the S(+) enant...
Disposition of human drug preparations in the horse. V. Orally administered oxprenolol.
Biomedical chromatography : BMC    July 1, 1996   Volume 10, Issue 4 172-178 doi: 10.1002/(SICI)1099-0801(199607)10:4<172::AID-BMC588>3.0.CO;2-1
Delbeke FT.Urinary concentrations of the beta-antagonist oxprenolol and some of its major human metabolites were determined following oral administration of a dose of 160 mg to five fasted horses. Quantitation was performed by gas chromatography-mass spectrometry (GC-MS) in the selected ion mode (SIM) by monitoring ion m/z 466 of the heptafluorobutyric derivatives. As early as 2 h after dosage oxprenolol could be detected in hydrolysed urine and remained detectable up to 24 h. Maximum urinary concentrations and excretion rates were obtained between 2 and 12 h. After 12 h only 2.8% of the administered dos...
Pharmacokinetics of enrofloxacin in adult horses and concentration of the drug in serum, body fluids, and endometrial tissues after repeated intragastrically administered doses.
American journal of veterinary research    July 1, 1996   Volume 57, Issue 7 1025-1030 
Giguère S, Sweeney RW, Bélanger M.To investigate the pharmacokinetics of enrofloxacin in adult horses. Methods: 2-dose oral and i.v. cross-over trial followed by multiple oral doses. Methods: 8 clinically normal adult horses. Methods: Enrofloxacin was administered at dosages of 2.5 mg/kg of body weight to 4 horses and 5.0 mg/kg to 4 other horses. Each dose was given by the intragastric and i.v. routes, using a cross-over design. After the first intragastric dose, 5 additional doses were administered at 12-hour intervals. Enrofloxacin concentrations were measured in serum, synovial fluid, peritoneal fluid, urine, CSF, and endom...
Detection of quinine and its metabolites in horse urine by gas chromatography-mass spectrometry.
The Analyst    May 1, 1996   Volume 121, Issue 5 651-662 doi: 10.1039/an9962100651
Demir C, Brereton RG, Dumasia MC.After oral administration of quinine sulfate to a thoroughbred mare, seven urine samples were obtained over a 45.5 h period. Using gas chromatography -electron impact ionization and positive-ion chemical ionization mass spectrometry, quinine and five putative metabolites were detected and tentatively identified in enzyme-hydrolysed post-administration urine; all metabolites involved some form of oxidation. The parent drug could be detected for about 16 h and some phase I biotransformation products for up to 40 h post-administration.
Minor constituents of sabulous material in equine urine.
Research in veterinary science    May 1, 1996   Volume 60, Issue 3 238-242 doi: 10.1016/s0034-5288(96)90046-6
Díaz-Espiñeira M, Escolar E, Bellanato J, Rodriguez M.The secondary constituents accompanying calcite and vaterite (crystalline forms of calcium carbonate) in the sabulous deposits from 140 vesical samples and one renal sample of equine urine were studied by infrared spectroscopy (IR), scanning electron microscopy (SEM) and energy dispersive X-ray analysis (EDX). Apatitic calcium phosphate, present in 12 per cent of the samples, generally appeared in the form of spherulites with smooth and rough surfaces. Calcium sulphate, clearly detected by IR in 12.7 per cent of the samples, did not have a characteristic structure under SEM, although EDX detec...
Determination of phenylbutazone and oxyphenbutazone in plasma and urine samples of horses by high-performance liquid chromatography and gas chromatography-mass spectrometry.
Journal of chromatography. B, Biomedical applications    April 12, 1996   Volume 678, Issue 2 211-218 doi: 10.1016/0378-4347(95)00508-0
Neto LM, Andraus MH, Salvadori MC.A method is described for the qualitative and quantitative determination of phenylbutazone and oxyphenbutazone in horse urine and plasma samples viewing antidoping control. A horse was administered intravenously with 3 g of phenylbutazone. For the qualitative determination, a screening by HPLC was performed after acidic extraction of the urine samples and the confirmation process was realized by GC-MS. Using the proposed method it was possible to detect phenylbutazone and oxyphenbutazone in urine for up to 48 and 120 h, respectively. For the quantitation of these drugs the plasma was deprotein...
[Kidney function tests in horses–methods and reference values in healthy animals].
DTW. Deutsche tierarztliche Wochenschrift    April 1, 1996   Volume 103, Issue 4 117-122 
Bickhardt K, Deegen E, Espelage W.Investigations of renal function have been done on the basis of renal clearance (Clr) and excretion (E) of endogenous creatinine in healthy horses of different body weight (23 female, 7 male). Creatinine was measured by enzymatic PAP-method. Creatinine-E of female horses was poor positively correlated with body weight. The creatinine-Clr was highly correlated with the inulin-Clr (r = 0,896, p < 0,001). The excretion of creatinine was 35% higher than the filtration of creatinine, determined by inulin-Clr. That demonstrate a tubular net secretion of 26% of the total creatinine excretion. However...
Disposition and excretion of 6-methoxy-2-naphthylacetic acid, the active metabolite of nabumetone in horses.
American journal of veterinary research    April 1, 1996   Volume 57, Issue 4 517-521 
Soma LR, Uboh CE, Rudy JA, Smith MS.To examine, in horses, the disposition and excretion of the active metabolite 6-methoxy-2-naphthylacetic acid (6MNA) of the nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory prodrug nabumetone. Methods: Pharmacokinetic analysis of 6MNA after oral administration of nabumetone and IV administration of 6MNA. Methods: Using a crossover design, 5 horses were orally administered 3.7 mg of nabumetone/kg of body weight. After a 3-week washout period, 4 horses were administered 2.5 mg of 6MNA/kg, IV. Results: Absorption of nabumetone from the gastrointestinal tract and its metabolism to 6MNA had a median appearance half-...
Prothipendyl: detection and elimination in the horse–a case report.
DTW. Deutsche tierarztliche Wochenschrift    April 1, 1996   Volume 103, Issue 4 125-127 
Hagedorn HW, Zuck S, Schulz R.The azaphenothiazine neuroleptic prothipendyl (Dominal) is suspected to be administered illegally at low doses to race-horses to improve their performance. Since for this species pharmacokinetic data of the drug are missing we studied its elimination from blood and urine in a standard-bred mare. At a low (subtherapeutic) dose (i.v., 0.24 mg/kg) the horse is described to be less excited while locomotor activity and attention remain unaffected. In contrast, sedation and ataxia are brought about at 1 mg/kg (therapeutic dose). Identification of prothipendyl given i.v. at subtherapeutic doses was a...
Biological and imaging characteristics and radiation dose rates associated with the use of technetium-99m-labelled imidodiphosphate in the horse. Riddolls LJ, Byford GG, McKee SL.The biological and imaging characteristics of technetium-99m imidodiphosphate (Tc99m-IDP) were measured in 4 horses once and in 1 horse twice. All computational results are expressed with 95.5% (mean +/- 2 SD) confidence limits. The clearance half-time of the radiopharmaceutical from the blood was 29.6 +/- 2.3 min. The percentage of the administered dose circulating in the whole-blood volume at 4 h was 3.9 +/- 0.8%. The Tc99m-IDP radioactivity confined at the plasma fraction of the whole blood at 4 h was 85.3 +/- 1.6%. At 8 h, approximately 45 +/- 16% of the dose administered had been excreted...
Regulatory significance of procaine residues in plasma and urine samples: preliminary communication.
Equine veterinary journal    March 1, 1996   Volume 28, Issue 2 121-125 doi: 10.1111/j.2042-3306.1996.tb01603.x
Harkins JD, Mundy GD, Stanley S, Woods WE, Boyles J, Arthur RA, Sams RA, Tobin T.Plasma and urinary concentrations of procaine and the duration of response to procaine after its administration as a local anaesthetic to horses were studied. Following injection of a clinical dose of procaine HCl (80 mg), the concentration of procaine in plasma was less than the lower limit of quantitation and unsuitable for threshold determination. Therefore, the urinary concentration of procaine was determined after injection of a dose of 5 mg procaine HCl, the highest no-effect dose (HNED) of this agent. Free unconjugated procaine in equine urine reached a peak concentration of 23.7 ng/mL,...
Effects of sodium bicarbonate and sodium chloride on the elimination of etorphine in equine urine.
Journal of analytical toxicology    March 1, 1996   Volume 20, Issue 2 81-88 doi: 10.1093/jat/20.2.81
Lloyd DR, Rose RJ, Duffield AM, Suann CJ.The combination of large doses of sodium bicarbonate and the potent narcotic, etorphine, has reportedly been given to racehorses in attempts to improve their performance and also to "mask" the presence of etorphine in urine samples. The increased urinary output and pH associated with sodium bicarbonate (approximately 500 g) administration may reduce the urinary concentration of etorphine, making it more difficult to detect. Our experiment was designed to examine the effects of this combination. Six Thoroughbred horses were used in a latin-square design with three horse pairs and three treatmen...
Plasma, urine, and synovial fluid disposition of methylprednisolone acetate and isoflupredone acetate after intra-articular administration in horses.
American journal of veterinary research    February 1, 1996   Volume 57, Issue 2 187-192 
Lillich JD, Bertone AL, Schmall LM, Ruggles AJ, Sams RA.OBJECTIVE--To document plasma, urine, and synovial fluid disposition of 2 common intra-articularly administered steroid preparations, methylprednisolone acetate (MPA) and isoflupredone acetate (IPA). DESIGN--Descriptive investigation. SAMPLE POPULATION--100 mg of MPA or 4 mg of IPA was administered to 2 groups of 4 healthy sound radiographically normal female horses. PROCEDURE--Blood samples were collected at time 0 (before) and 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 24, 36, 48, 72, and 96 hours after administration of the designated steroid. Complete urine collection for measurement of designated steroid was ac...
Pharmacokinetics of cefoperazone in horses.
Journal of veterinary pharmacology and therapeutics    February 1, 1996   Volume 19, Issue 1 39-43 doi: 10.1111/j.1365-2885.1996.tb00006.x
Soraci AL, Mestorino ON, Errecalde JO.The pharmacokinetics and bioavailability of cefoperazone (CPZ) were studied following intravenous (IV) and intramuscular (IM) administration of single doses (30 mg/kg) to horses. Concentrations in serum, urine and synovial fluid samples were measured following IV administration. CPZ concentrations in serum, synovial fluid and spongy bone samples were measured following IM administration. After IV administration a rapid distribution phase (t1/2 (alpha): 4.22 +/- 2.73 min) was followed by a slower elimination phase (t1/2(beta) 0.77 +/- 0.19 h). The apparent volume of distribution was 0.68 +/- 0....
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