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Veterinary medicine for horses encompasses the study and application of medical practices to diagnose, treat, and prevent diseases in equine species. This field involves a comprehensive understanding of equine anatomy, physiology, pathology, and pharmacology. Veterinary practitioners employ a range of diagnostic tools and therapeutic interventions to address health issues in horses, including lameness, gastrointestinal disorders, respiratory conditions, and infectious diseases. Preventative care, such as vaccination and deworming programs, is also a significant aspect of equine veterinary medicine. This page gathers peer-reviewed research studies and scholarly articles that explore various aspects of veterinary medicine as it pertains to horses, including advancements in diagnostic techniques, treatment protocols, and preventive health strategies.
Comparison of bone mineral content and biochemical markers of bone metabolism in stall- vs. pasture-reared horses.
Equine veterinary journal. Supplement    February 5, 2000   Issue 30 601-604 doi: 10.1111/j.2042-3306.1999.tb05292.x
Hoekstra KE, Nielsen BD, Orth MW, Rosenstein DS, Schott HC, Shelle JE.Sixteen Arabian yearlings were assigned randomly to 2 groups, confined to stall and pastured, to investigate the effects of confinement vs. pasture-rearing on bone mineral content and biochemical markers of bone metabolism over a 140 day period. Following an 84 day pretraining period, 6 horses from each group were selected randomly to complete a 56 day training period. Serum osteocalcin concentrations were determined from blood samples collected every 14 days. Urinary deoxypyridinoline concentrations and mineral content of the third metacarpus, as determined by lateral and medial radiographic ...
Effect of breathing frequency and airflow on pulmonary function in high-intensity equine exercise.
Equine veterinary journal. Supplement    February 5, 2000   Issue 30 19-23 doi: 10.1111/j.2042-3306.1999.tb05181.x
Bayly WM, Redman MJ, Sides RH.It has been postulated that the hypoxaemia and hypercapnoea that characterize strenuous equine exercise are partly due to flow limitations imposed by high breathing frequencies (fb), and that gas exchange would be improved if fb could be lowered. To evaluate this possibility, 6 Thoroughbred horses underwent 4 incremental treadmill exercise tests at inclines of 0, 5, 10 and 25%, respectively. In the test, horses were given a warm-up for 2 min, then ran sequentially for 1 min each at 60, 100 and 115% VO2max. Oxygen consumption (VO2), blood gas tensions (PaO2, PaCO2), fb, tidal volume (VT), minut...
High-altitude effects on respiratory gases, acid-base balance and pulmonary artery pressures in equids.
Equine veterinary journal. Supplement    February 5, 2000   Issue 30 71-76 doi: 10.1111/j.2042-3306.1999.tb05192.x
Greene HM, Wickler SJ, Anderson TP, Cogger EA, Lewis CC, Wyle A.Arterial and venous blood were analysed at rest and post exercise for pH, PCO2, and PO2, and bicarbonate ([HCO3-]), base excess (BE), and strong ion difference (SID) were calculated in response to a 10 day sojourn to 3800 m. Pulmonary artery pressures (PAP) were measured at rest. Post exercise samples were restricted to venous blood. The equids (n = 6) experienced a profound hypoxia-hypocapnia and a respiratory alkalosis. PaO2 decreased 42% and PaCO2 41%. PaCO2 increased to 80% of initial values after 8 days at altitude. Arterial [HCO3-] decreased by 34%; however, it returned to normal by Day ...
Electrolyte and glycerol supplementation improve water intake by horses performing a simulated 60 km endurance ride.
Equine veterinary journal. Supplement    February 5, 2000   Issue 30 418-424 doi: 10.1111/j.2042-3306.1999.tb05258.x
Düsterdieck KF, Schott HC, Eberhart SW, Woody KA, Coenen M.To replace electrolytes lost in sweat during endurance competitions, riders frequently supplement horses with hypertonic oral electrolyte pastes. To determine whether this practice and concurrent administration of the so-called hyperhydrating substance glycerol are of benefit, weight loss, voluntary water intake, plasma osmolality, and plasma protein and electrolyte concentrations were measured in 6 Arabian horses supplemented with a total of 2.4 ml/kg bwt of water (W); 0.2 g/kg bwt KCl and 0.4 g/kg bwt NaCl in 2.4 ml/kg bwt of water (E); or 0.2 g/kg bwt KCl and 0.4 g/kg bwt NaCl in 2.4 ml/kg ...
Effect of frusemide and hypertonic saline on electrolytes during post exercise anaesthesia.
Equine veterinary journal. Supplement    February 5, 2000   Issue 30 434-437 doi: 10.1111/j.2042-3306.1999.tb05261.x
Greene S, Keegan R, Brown J, Kingston J, Bayly WM.This study evaluated the effects of pre-exercise frusemide administration and hypertonic saline (H) infusion during anaesthesia on arterial pH, blood gases and electrolytes in 6 Thoroughbred horses anaesthetised immediately post exercise. Horses received either frusemide (F) (0.5 mg/kg, i.v.) or a saline placebo (P) injection 4 h prior to treadmill exercise. Exercise consisted of a 3 min warm-up at 40% VO2max followed by exercise to fatigue. Detomidine (40 micrograms/kg, i.v.) was given within 5 min of stopping and followed 5 min later by zolazepam-tiletamine (1.25 mg/kg, i.v.) to induce anaes...
Pre- and post exercise echocardiography in horses performing treadmill exercise in cool and hot/humid conditions.
Equine veterinary journal. Supplement    February 5, 2000   Issue 30 131-136 doi: 10.1111/j.2042-3306.1999.tb05203.x
Marr CM, Bright JM, Marlin DJ, Harris PA, Roberts CA.We hypothesised that exercise in a hot and humid environment would affect echocardiographic indices of cardiac dimensions and function more than exercise in a cool environment. M-mode echocardiograms were obtained in 5 clinically normal horses before, and at 0, 10, 30 and 60 min after a treadmill exercise test. The test was performed in a controlled environment at 20 degrees C/40% relative humidity (RH) and again at 30 degrees C/80% RH. All the horses completed the exercise test in cool conditions, but only one horse completed the exercise test in the hot/humid environment. The relaxation time...
The effect of shoeing on kinetics and kinematics during the stance phase.
Equine veterinary journal. Supplement    February 5, 2000   Issue 30 279-285 doi: 10.1111/j.2042-3306.1999.tb05235.x
Roepstorff L, Johnston C, Drevemo S.The increasing range of of horseshoes and hoofpads makes it important to be able to evaluate their influence on performance and stress in the locomotor apparatus. The aim of this study was to describe the changes in ground reaction forces and locomotion pattern during the stance phase due to the application of a standard iron shoe. Six Swedish Warmblood horses were evaluated kinetically and kinematically before and after they were shod with an 8 mm iron shoe. Data were used to calculate ground reaction forces in the vertical and craniocaudal directions, point of application of the force, hoof ...
Effects of flunixin on movement and performance of standardbred trotters on the track.
Equine veterinary journal. Supplement    February 5, 2000   Issue 30 270-273 doi: 10.1111/j.2042-3306.1999.tb05233.x
Kallings P, Johnston C, Drevemo S.An often discussed and controversial issue is the effect of nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) on performance. The purpose of this study was to investigate the effect of the NSAID flunixin on the movement pattern and performance capacity of Standardbred trotters using a standardised track model. Five adult Standardbred horses in training trotted at 2 occasions with a 2 week interval on the same oval dirt track. Before each occasion the horses were either injected with flunixin meglumine (Finadyne) or normal saline solution i.m. 4 h before the performance test (double blind crossover...
Skeletal myosin heavy chain composition and carriage training.
Equine veterinary journal. Supplement    February 5, 2000   Issue 30 318-323 doi: 10.1111/j.2042-3306.1999.tb05241.x
Rivero JL, Serrano AL.Three different myosin heavy chain (MHC) isoforms have been identified in the equine gluteus medius muscle: the slow or MHC-I and the 2 fast MHC-IIA and MHC-IIX isoforms. They are distributed in 3 fibre types containing a single MHC (I, IIA, IIX) and 2 hybrid types co-expressing 2 isoforms (I + IIA, IIA + IIX). The aim of this study was to determine if heavy carriage training alters skeletal MHC composition in horses. Fourteen Andalusian mares age 42-46 months were used. Seven horses were used as controls to estimate the effects of growth on muscle. The remaining 7 horses underwent a training ...
Frusemide and weight carriage alter the acid:base responses of horses to incremental and to brief intense exertion.
Equine veterinary journal. Supplement    February 5, 2000   Issue 30 375-379 doi: 10.1111/j.2042-3306.1999.tb05251.x
Hinchcliff KW, McKeever KH.We speculated that frusemide would attenuate the acidosis associated with intense exertion, and that weight carriage would mitigate this effect. Therefore, in each of 2 experiments we measured pulmonary artery and systemic arterial blood pH, PCO2, PO2 and pulmonary artery temperature in 9 horses during exertion on a treadmill after each of 3 treatments. The treatments were: 1) injection of saline solution (C), 2) injection of frusemide (1 mg/kg bwt, i.v. 4 h before running) (FU) and 3) injection of frusemide (F) as for FU and the horses carried weight equal to that lost in the 4 h after frusem...
Changes in left ventricular dynamics during graded exercise.
Equine veterinary journal. Supplement    February 5, 2000   Issue 30 122-125 doi: 10.1111/j.2042-3306.1999.tb05201.x
Hiraga A, Hobo S, Birks EK, Takahashi T, Hada T, Smith BL, Carr EA, Pascoe JR, Jones JH.Three mature Thoroughbred horses were prepared surgically with ultrasonic sonomicrometer crystals affixed to their ventricular pericardia. Signals from crystals recorded dimensions of axes across the left ventricle. Cubic algorithms were fitted to dimensional data to generate volume estimates that matched stroke volumes simultaneously measured using the Fick principle. As horses stood at rest or exercised at various intensities (approx 7, 12, 24, 47 and 100% maximal rate of O2 consumption VO2max[), left ventricular dimensions were recorded and 20 consecutive diastolic and systolic volumes calc...
Environmental stress and 3-day eventing: effects of altitude.
Equine veterinary journal. Supplement    February 5, 2000   Issue 30 394-397 doi: 10.1111/j.2042-3306.1999.tb05254.x
Foreman JH, Waldsmith JK, Lalum RB.Three-day event horses are subject to various external environmental stresses including changes in ambient temperature, humidity, altitude, and test severity. Considerable research on the adverse effects of increased heat and humidity preceded the 1996 Olympic Summer Games in Atlanta, Georgia USA, but no research has been done previously on the effects of altitude on 3-day eventing. Physical and venous blood gas data were collected on horses (n = 24) competing in the High Prairie Preliminary (CCN*) and Intermediate (CCN**) 3-day events and Preliminary Horse Trials in Parker, Colorado (1900 m a...
Effect of inhaled beta 2 adrenoceptor agonist, albuterol sulphate, on performance of horses.
Equine veterinary journal. Supplement    February 5, 2000   Issue 30 575-580 doi: 10.1111/j.2042-3306.1999.tb05287.x
Bailey J, Colahan P, Kubilis P, Pablo L.This study was designed to test the hypothesis that a specific beta 2 adrenergic receptor agonist, albuterol sulphate, when delivered by metered-dose inhaler (MDI) would affect the performance of Thoroughbred horses during incremental exercise testing. Six conditioned Thoroughbred horses were randomly assigned to one of 2 treatment groups: Group 1 horses received placebo and Group 2 received albuterol. Each horse received both treatments in a crossover design with a 3 week interval between trials. Horses inspired albuterol (900 micrograms) or placebo over a 5 min period followed by an incremen...
Effect of exercise and COPD crisis on isoprostane concentration in plasma and bronchoalveolar lavage fluid in horses.
Equine veterinary journal. Supplement    February 5, 2000   Issue 30 88-91 doi: 10.1111/j.2042-3306.1999.tb05195.x
Kirschvink N, Art T, Smith N, Lekeux P.To test whether isoprostanes could be used as markers of oxidative stress in horses, their concentration was determined in plasma and in pulmonary epithelial lining fluid (PELF) in 3 models of oxidative stress: (1) strenuous exercise, (2) acute COPD crisis and (3) exercise combined with COPD crisis. Four horses were investigated twice, once in crisis and once in remission. The animals underwent a standardised treadmill exercise test. Isoprostane assessment was performed in plasma and bronchoalveolar lavage fluid 24 h before and 1 h after exercise and in plasma also immediately after exercise. ...
An MRI study of the effect of treadmill training on bone morphology of the central and third tarsal bones of young thoroughbred horses.
Equine veterinary journal. Supplement    February 5, 2000   Issue 30 258-261 doi: 10.1111/j.2042-3306.1999.tb05230.x
Whitton RC, Murray RC, Buckley C, Goodship AE, Lekeux P.Training results in marked modelling of the subchondral bone of the carpus, but the effect of training on the subchondral bone of the distal tarsal joints is unknown. The aim of this study was to determine whether training influenced modelling of the third and central tarsal bones in Thoroughbred horses. Twelve untrained Thoroughbred horses were divided into 2 groups. Group 1 underwent a 19 week progressive training regimen on a high speed treadmill. Group 2 were walked for 40 min daily. Images of left tarsi were obtained by magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) with a 0.5 Tesla superconducting mag...
Haematological and biochemical responses to training and overtraining.
Equine veterinary journal. Supplement    February 5, 2000   Issue 30 621-625 doi: 10.1111/j.2042-3306.1999.tb05297.x
Tyler-McGowan CM, Golland LC, Evans DL, Hodgson DR, Rose RJ.We sought a physiological marker of overtraining in horses, using commonly practised field and laboratory tests to allow early prediction and treatment of the syndrome. Thirteen Standardbred horses were trained as follows: phase 1 (endurance, 7 weeks), phase 2 (high intensity, 9 weeks) and phase 3 (overload, 18 weeks). In phase 3 the horses were divided into 2 groups: overload training (OLT) and control (C). The OLT group exercised at greater intensities, frequencies and durations than the C group. Overtraining occurred after 31 weeks and was defined as a significant decrease in treadmill run ...
The effects of a rider’s mass on ground reaction forces and fetlock kinematics at the trot.
Equine veterinary journal. Supplement    February 5, 2000   Issue 30 218-221 doi: 10.1111/j.2042-3306.1999.tb05221.x
Clayton HM, Lanovaz JL, Schamhardt HC, van Wessum R.Ground reaction force (GRF) measurements are often normalised to body mass to facilitate inter-individual comparisons. The objective of this study was to explore the effect of a rider on the GRFs and fetlock joint kinematics of trotting horses. The subjects were 5 dressage-trained horses and 3 experienced dressage riders. Ground reaction force measurements and sagittal view videotapes were recorded as the horses trotted at the same velocity in hand (3.49 +/- 0.52 m/s) and with a rider (3.49 +/- 0.46 m/s). Data were time-normalised to stance duration. Ground reaction force measurements were exp...
A preliminary study of the effect of inhaled nitric oxide on lung mechanics in the standing horse with histamine-induced bronchoconstriction.
Equine veterinary journal. Supplement    February 5, 2000   Issue 30 67-70 doi: 10.1111/j.2042-3306.1999.tb05191.x
Sweeney CR, Tomasic M, Russell GE.The effect of inhaled nitric oxide on pulmonary mechanics was studied in normal standing horses with histamine-induced bronchoconstriction. The respiratory health status of 6 normal horses was established on the basis of history, clinical and bronchoalveolar lavage examination. Intrathoracic pressures were estimated using distal oesophageal pressures. Respiratory gas flows were measured using a heated pneumotachograph. Pulmonary mechanics variables were determined from these measurements on a breath by breath basis. Bronchoconstriction was induced by nebulizing a 0.75% w/v solution of histamin...
Advantages and disadvantages of track vs. treadmill tests.
Equine veterinary journal. Supplement    February 5, 2000   Issue 30 645-647 doi: 10.1111/j.2042-3306.1999.tb05305.x
Sloet van Oldruitenborgh-Oosterbaan MM, Clayton HM.No abstract available
Contributions of equine exercise physiology research to the success of the 1996 Equestrian Olympic Games: a review.
Equine veterinary journal. Supplement    February 5, 2000   Issue 30 347-355 doi: 10.1111/j.2042-3306.1999.tb05247.x
Jeffcott LB, Kohn CW.Following public concern about the weather conditions for the 1996 Olympic Games in Atlanta an international research programme was initiated. The primary objective of this effort was to identify strategies for ensuring welfare of horses competing in the heat. Field observations of horses during the endurance test of 3-day events in Europe, Canada, and the USA characterised the work effort of this form of competition; laboratory treadmill studies assessed limitations to performance of heat and humidity, explored the relationships of thermoregulatory demands to the phases of the competition and...
Pulmonary vascular resistance of horses decreases with moderate exercise and remains unchanged as workload is increased to maximal exercise.
Equine veterinary journal. Supplement    February 5, 2000   Issue 30 117-121 doi: 10.1111/j.2042-3306.1999.tb05200.x
Manohar M, Goetz TE.This study was carried out to examine changes in pulmonary vascular resistance (PVR) induced by moderate and strenuous exercise; the objective being to understand why pulmonary artery blood pressure of exercising horses increases progressively as work intensity increases. Pulmonary arterial and wedge pressures (referenced at the point of the left shoulder) were determined simultaneously with cardiac output in 2 groups of healthy, sound, exercise-trained horses. Horses in Group 1 (n = 8) were studied at rest and during exercise performed at 8 and 13 m/s; the latter workload eliciting maximal he...
The effect of training on the calcified zone of equine middle carpal articular cartilage.
Equine veterinary journal. Supplement    February 5, 2000   Issue 30 274-278 doi: 10.1111/j.2042-3306.1999.tb05234.x
Murray RC, Whitton RC, Vedi S, Goodship AE, Lekeux P.Carpal osteochondral injury is frequently observed in strenuously trained horses. It is clear that the integrity of articular cartilage and subchondral bone are intimately related, although there is controversy about which component is the most important. Calcified cartilage provides the mechanical link between soft hyaline cartilage and stiff subchondral bone so it is essential to understand the tissue's response to exercise. Middle carpal calcified and uncalcified (hyaline) cartilage thickness was investigated in horses undergoing high- and low-intensity exercise. Twelve untrained horses (18...
A comparison of grain, oil and beet pulp as energy sources for the exercised horse.
Equine veterinary journal. Supplement    February 5, 2000   Issue 30 485-489 doi: 10.1111/j.2042-3306.1999.tb05270.x
Crandell KG, Pagan JD, Harris P, Duren SE.High-grain diets for the exercising horse were compared with diets which provided 15% of the total caloric intake from either vegetable oil or a highly fermentable fibre source (beet pulp). Six Thoroughbreds age 3 years were fed one of 3 diets or 5 weeks in a replicated 3 x 3 Latin square. The CONTROL diet was 3.65 kg of sweet feed (SF), 0.9 kg of a protein/vitamin/mineral pellet and 5.45 kg of hay cubes. The FAT diet replaced 1.15 kg of SF with 0.45 kg of soybean oil and the FIBRE diet replaced 1.15 kg of SF with 1.36 kg of beet pulp. Horses were exercised 3 times per week on a high-speed tre...
Relationship of body condition score to completion rate during 160 km endurance races.
Equine veterinary journal. Supplement    February 5, 2000   Issue 30 591-595 doi: 10.1111/j.2042-3306.1999.tb05290.x
Garlinghouse SE, Burrill MJ.Three-hundred and sixty horses, primarily of Arabian breeding, age 5-22 years and body conditions scores 1.5-5.5 (on 1 to 9 scale as described by Henneke 1985), participated in one of two 160 km endurance races over the same course in August 1995 and July 1996. Condition score, cannon bone circumference, combined rider and tack weight, heart girth and body length were measured 11-18 h prior to the start of the event and bodyweight estimated according to the formula by Carroll and Huntington (1988). A rider weight ratio was calculated as rider weight divided by horse bodyweight. Rider weight an...
Evaluation of a bioresorbable hyaluronate-carboxymethylcellulose membrane for prevention of experimentally induced abdominal adhesions in horses.
Veterinary surgery : VS    February 1, 2000   Volume 29, Issue 1 48-53 doi: 10.1111/j.1532-950x.2000.00048.x
Mueller PO, Hay WP, Harmon B, Amoroso L.To evaluate the efficacy of a bioresorbable hyaluronate-carboxymethylcellulose membrane (HA-membrane) for prevention of experimentally induced abdominal adhesions in horses. Methods: Experimental study. Methods: Twelve healthy adult horses. Methods: The effect of an HA-membrane on adhesion formation was evaluated in 12 healthy horses using an established model of serosal trauma to induce adhesions. A ventral median celiotomy and two jejunal resections and end-to-end anastomoses were performed. Two separate jejunal areas were abraded, and three 2-0 chromic gut sutures placed in the abraded area...
[Functional morphology of the large intestinal mucosa of horses (Equus przewalskii f. caballus) with special regard to the epithelium].
Anatomia, histologia, embryologia    February 1, 2000   Volume 28, Issue 5-6 355-365 doi: 10.1046/j.1439-0264.1999.00223.x
Wille KH, Nakov C.The mucous membrane of the caecum and colon ascendens of adult horses was first studied using light and transmission electron microscopy. In the surface epithelium there was an inconspicuous constellation of organelles, otherwise there was a lot of mitochondria as a source of energy for absorptive performances. Moreover, enlarged intercellular spaces exist as an indication of an increased uptake of water and electrolytes. In the basal region of Lieberkühn's crypts there were single enteroendocrine cells and numerous granules in the apical epithelial cytoplasm. The functional meaning of these ...
The teeth of the horse: evolution and anatomo-morphological and radiographic study of their development in the foetus.
Anatomia, histologia, embryologia    February 1, 2000   Volume 28, Issue 5-6 273-280 doi: 10.1046/j.1439-0264.1999.00204.x
Soana S, Gnudi G, Bertoni G.The aim of this work was to study the ontogenetic process in teeth from their early appearance in the ossifying matrix of the mandible and maxilla, in different foetuses of scalar ages. Radiographic examinations of the skull and mandible hemisections were performed and the latero-medial (LM) and dorsoventral (DV) projections for the skull and mandible were analysed. A high-definition film-screen combination was used for this study. The exposure values ranged from 35 kV/6 mAs to 58 kV/10 mAs, according to the size of the skulls and their degree of ossification. The first dental germ observed wa...
Sonographic observations of the peripheral vasculature of the equine thoracic limb.
Anatomia, histologia, embryologia    February 1, 2000   Volume 28, Issue 5-6 281-289 doi: 10.1046/j.1439-0264.1999.00206.x
Hoffmann KL, Wood AK, McCarthy PH, Griffiths KA, Evans DL, Gill RW.Investigations of the equine peripheral vascular system have been constrained by the lack of a non-invasive method of examining the arteries and veins of the limbs of the conscious horse. Precise correlations were established between the gross anatomical features of the peripheral vessels and their B-mode sonographic appearance in each thoracic limb of 35 horses. A sonographic imaging protocol was established. Additional Doppler sonographic recordings defined the arterial waveforms and demonstrated that blood flow to the foot could be evaluated in the lateral proper digital artery, distal to t...
An in vitro biomechanical investigation of an equine interlocking nail.
Veterinary surgery : VS    February 1, 2000   Volume 29, Issue 1 38-47 doi: 10.1111/j.1532-950x.2000.00038.x
McD○ LA, Stover SM, Bach JM, Taylor KT.To determine the mechanical properties of Equine Interlocking Nail (EIN; JD Wheat Veterinary Orthopedic Research Laboratory, University of California, Davis) stabilized osteotomized tibiae and compare these variables with estimated in vivo loads. Methods: In vitro biomechanical investigation. Methods: Twelve adult equine cadaveric tibiae. Methods: EIN-stabilized tibiae were tested monotonically under compression, 3- and 4-point bending, and torsion. Mechanical properties were compared with estimated in vivo loads. Results: EIN-tibial composite mean compressive yield load (11 kN) and bending mo...
Growth characteristics of fibroblasts isolated from the trunk and distal aspect of the limb of horses and ponies.
Veterinary surgery : VS    February 1, 2000   Volume 29, Issue 1 1-7 doi: 10.1111/j.1532-950x.2000.00001.x
Miller CB, Wilson DA, Keegan KG, Kreeger JM, Adelstein EH, Ganjam VK.To determine if there is a difference in in vitro growth of fibroblasts isolated from the trunk and distal aspect of the limb of horses and ponies. To determine the effects of a corticosteroid and monokine on in vitro growth of fibroblasts isolated from the trunk and distal aspect of the limb of horses and ponies. Methods: Growth of fibroblasts from tissues harvested from the trunk and limb were compared from horse and pony samples grown in control media and control media with triamcinolone or monokine added. Methods: Dermal and subcutaneous tissue from 22 horses and 17 ponies of various ages ...