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Veterinary medicine for horses encompasses the study and application of medical practices to diagnose, treat, and prevent diseases in equine species. This field involves a comprehensive understanding of equine anatomy, physiology, pathology, and pharmacology. Veterinary practitioners employ a range of diagnostic tools and therapeutic interventions to address health issues in horses, including lameness, gastrointestinal disorders, respiratory conditions, and infectious diseases. Preventative care, such as vaccination and deworming programs, is also a significant aspect of equine veterinary medicine. This page gathers peer-reviewed research studies and scholarly articles that explore various aspects of veterinary medicine as it pertains to horses, including advancements in diagnostic techniques, treatment protocols, and preventive health strategies.
Scalable Production of Equine Platelet Lysate for Multipotent Mesenchymal Stromal Cell Culture.
Frontiers in bioengineering and biotechnology    January 21, 2021   Volume 8 613621 doi: 10.3389/fbioe.2020.613621
Hagen A, Lehmann H, Aurich S, Bauer N, Melzer M, Moellerberndt J, Patané V, Schnabel CL, Burk J.Translation of multipotent mesenchymal stromal cell (MSC)-based therapies is advancing in human and veterinary medicine. One critical issue is the culture of MSC before clinical use. Using fetal bovine serum (FBS) as supplement to the basal medium is still the gold standard for cultivation of many cell types including equine MSC. Alternatives are being explored, with substantial success using platelet lysate-supplemented media for human MSC. However, progress lags behind in the veterinary field. The aim of this study was to establish a scalable protocol for equine platelet lysate (ePL) produc...
Non-banked curved tracks influence movement symmetry in two-year-old Standardbred trotters.
Equine veterinary journal    January 20, 2021   Volume 53, Issue 6 1178-1187 doi: 10.1111/evj.13409
Kallerud AS, Hernlund E, Byström A, Persson-Sjodin E, Rhodin M, Hendrickson EHS, Fjordbakk CT.Little is known regarding how trotting through curves affects locomotion symmetry in Standardbred trotters. Objective: To investigate differences in objectively measured Standardbred trotter vertical motion symmetry between straight and non-banked, curved sections of oval trotting tracks during exercise warm-up, using a wireless inertial measurement unit (IMU) system. Methods: Cross-sectional, observational study. Methods: Sixteen horses were included. Mixed models were used to assess associations between symmetry, track segment (straight vs curve) and stride duration. Results: Significant res...
“Feel the Force”-Prevalence of Subjectively Assessed Saddle Fit Problems in Swiss Riding Horses and Their Association With Saddle Pressure Measurements and Back Pain.
Journal of equine veterinary science    January 20, 2021   Volume 99 103388 doi: 10.1016/j.jevs.2021.103388
Dittmann MT, Arpagaus S, Hungerbühler V, Weishaupt MA, Latif SN.Ill-fitting saddles can impair the well-being and performance of horses. Saddle fit is generally assessed subjectively by a trained professional or with an electronic saddle pressure mat, but little is known about the agreement between both methods. The study aims were (1) to assess the prevalence of saddle fit issues in a riding sound Swiss horse population, (2) to investigate how well the subjective assessment correlates with objectively measured pressure magnitude and distribution under the saddle during riding, and (3) how well both correlate with back pain of the horse. Only 10% of the sa...
Vaccination against GnRH as a prelude to surgical castration of horses.
Equine veterinary journal    January 20, 2021   Volume 53, Issue 6 1141-1149 doi: 10.1111/evj.13411
Birrell JR, Schulman ML, Botha AE, Ganswindt A, Fosgate GT, Bertschinger HJ.Surgical castration is one of the most frequently performed surgeries in horses and is associated with various post-surgical complications ranging in severity. Objective: We investigated the effects of administering an anti-GnRH vaccine to colts for reduction of testis size on the incidence of complications associated with their subsequent surgical castration. Methods: Randomised open controlled trial. Methods: Nineteen colts were randomly assigned to one of the three groups. Treatment Groups V1-57 and V2-100 received two treatments of Improvac (Zoetis, South Africa) before their castration in...
The effect of equine bone marrow-derived mesenchymal stem cells on the expression of apoptotic genes in neutrophils.
Veterinary medicine and science    January 20, 2021   Volume 7, Issue 3 626-633 doi: 10.1002/vms3.427
Salami F, Ghodrati M, Parham A, Mehrzad J.Bone marrow mesenchymal stem cells (BM-MSCs), as multipotent cells with self-renewal and plastic-adherent properties, have immunomodulatory effects on immune cells, including neutrophils. These cells are in close proximity in bone marrow (BM) sinusoids with non-multiplicative immature neutrophils. BM-MSCs exert their immunomodulatory effects on adjacent cells both directly (cell-to-cell contact) and indirectly (secretion of soluble factors). The aim of this study was to evaluate the effect of equine bone marrow mesenchymal stem cells (BM-MSCs) on the expression of some pro- and anti-apoptotic ...
Right atrial-related structures in horses of interest during electrophysiological studies.
Equine veterinary journal    January 20, 2021   Volume 53, Issue 6 1210-1217 doi: 10.1111/evj.13413
Vernemmen I, Vera L, Van Steenkiste G, Deserranno B, Muylle S, Decloedt A, van Loon G.Arrhythmias are common in horses, but catheter-based minimally invasive electrophysiological studies and therapeutic interventions have been poorly explored in equine medicine, partly due to the lack of detailed anatomical knowledge of the equine heart. Objective: To describe the dimensions and anatomical features of some electrophysiologically important landmarks of the right atrium in detail and assess their correlation with bodyweight and aortic diameter. Methods: Ex vivo cadaveric study. Methods: Twenty-one hearts of Warmblood horses, subjected to euthanasia for noncardiovascular reasons, ...
Animals as potential reservoirs for dengue transmission: A systematic review.
One health (Amsterdam, Netherlands)    January 20, 2021   Volume 12 100216 doi: 10.1016/j.onehlt.2021.100216
Gwee SXW, St John AL, Gray GC, Pang J.Dengue is a rapidly spreading mosquito-borne flavivirus infection that is prevalent in tropical and sub-tropical regions. Humans are known to be the main reservoir host maintaining the epidemic cycles of dengue but it is unclear if dengue virus is also maintained in a similar enzootic cycle. The systematic review was conducted in accordance to Cochrane's PRISMA recommendations. A search was done on PubMed, EMBASE, Scopus and Cochrane Library. Key data on animal dengue positivity was extracted and classified according to animal type and diagnostic modes. Of the 3818 articles identified, 56 arti...
Clinical Factors Associated With Survival Outcomes in Starved Equids: A Retrospective Case Series.
Journal of equine veterinary science    January 19, 2021   Volume 101 103370 doi: 10.1016/j.jevs.2020.103370
Schneider LG, Cox Self A, Hines MT, Lin-Zambito Ivey J.Each year in the United States, unwanted horses may become neglected, starved, or abandoned. Recovery therapies include refeeding and veterinary care, often requiring substantial time and financial investments. To better understand the likelihood for starved horses to successfully survive the first 100 days after initial evaluation, a retrospective case series was performed using hospital records of starved horses at the University of Tennessee College of Veterinary Medicine. A body condition score (BCS) of 3 or less and a malnourished diagnosis were utilized to select case records from an 11...
Commercial amniotic membrane extract for treatment of corneal ulcers in adult horses.
Equine veterinary journal    January 19, 2021   Volume 53, Issue 6 1268-1276 doi: 10.1111/evj.13399
Lyons VN, Townsend WM, Moore GE, Liang S.Amniotic membrane extract enhances the rate of epithelialisation after corneal ulceration in several species but has not been studied in the equine cornea. Objective: To evaluate the effect of amniotic membrane extract on re-epithelialisation of equine corneal ulcers compared with ulcers treated with antibiotic, antifungal and mydriatic medical therapy alone, and to evaluate equine corneal healing after experimentally induced superficial ulceration. Methods: Masked, randomised, controlled experimental trial. Methods: Superficial, 8 mm corneal ulcers were created bilaterally in each horse. One...
Variations in haematological and biochemical parameters in healthy ponies.
BMC veterinary research    January 19, 2021   Volume 17, Issue 1 38 doi: 10.1186/s12917-020-02741-5
Witkowska-Piłaszewicz O, Cywińska A, Michlik-Połczyńska K, Czopowicz M, Strzelec K, Biazik A, Parzeniecka-Jaworska M, Crisman M, Witkowski L.Breed specific reference ranges for selected blood parameters are recommended for proper interpretation of blood tests, but there are only few reports dealing with ponies. The purpose of this study was to investigate if blood parameters differ among ponies' classes and to check if general normal values for equine species are applicable to ponies. Results: All, except total protein concentration, biochemical parameter significantly (p < 0.05) differed among ponies' classes. The most pronounced difference was noted in blood lactate concentrations, higher (p < 0.001) in the sma...
Detection of Ehrlichia sp. in Amblyomma sculptum parasitizing horses from Brazilian Pantanal wetland.
Ticks and tick-borne diseases    January 19, 2021   Volume 12, Issue 3 101658 doi: 10.1016/j.ttbdis.2021.101658
Muraro LS, Nogueira MF, Borges AMCM, Souza AO, Vieira TSWJ, de Aguiar DM.Bacteria of the genus Ehrlichia are transmitted by ticks and also are an important cause of infection in wild and domestic mammals. Infection with Ehrlichia spp. has been reported in horses, especially in the USA, Nicaragua and Brazil. In this study, we report the parasitism by Amblyomma sculptum, Rhipicephalus microplus and Dermacentor nitens ticks in horses from a ranch located in south Pantanal wetland. Molecular and serological analyzes to determine infection by Ehrlichia spp. in horses and their respective ticks were carried out. A total of 12 horses were submitted to blood collection to ...
Comparison of chlorhexidine and alcohol-based antisepsis of the distal limbs of horses.
Equine veterinary journal    January 19, 2021   Volume 53, Issue 6 1234-1238 doi: 10.1111/evj.13417
Doyle AJ, Saab ME, Lewis KM, McClure JT.An alcohol-based rub has been confirmed effective at reducing bacterial counts on equine skin. Skin sites with expected high bacterial burden have not been tested or has a comparison to a common protocol been performed. Objective: To determine if ethanol-based antisepsis reduces bacterial counts on the equine distal limb comparable to a current chlorhexidine scrub method and determine the most effective application technique for the product. Methods: Randomised trial. Methods: Forty-one horses were used in the study. By horse, each limb was randomly assigned to a treatment group: 5min scrub us...
Regenerative Medicine for Equine Musculoskeletal Diseases.
Animals : an open access journal from MDPI    January 19, 2021   Volume 11, Issue 1 234 doi: 10.3390/ani11010234
Ribitsch I, Oreff GL, Jenner F.Musculoskeletal injuries and chronic degenerative diseases commonly affect both athletic and sedentary horses and can entail the end of their athletic careers. The ensuing repair processes frequently do not yield fully functional regeneration of the injured tissues but biomechanically inferior scar or replacement tissue, causing high reinjury rates, degenerative disease progression and chronic morbidity. Regenerative medicine is an emerging, rapidly evolving branch of translational medicine that aims to replace or regenerate cells, tissues, or organs to restore or establish normal function. It...
Equine Sarcoids-Causes, Molecular Changes, and Clinicopathologic Features: A Review.
Veterinary pathology    January 19, 2021   Volume 58, Issue 3 472-482 doi: 10.1177/0300985820985114
Ogłuszka M, Starzyński RR, Pierzchała M, Otrocka-Domagała I, Raś A.Equine sarcoid is the most common skin tumor of horses. Clinically, it occurs as a locally invasive, fibroblastic, wart-like lesion of equine skin, which has 6 clinical classes: occult, verrucose, nodular, fibroblastic, mixed, and malignant. Sarcoids may be single but multiple lesions are more frequent. The typical histological feature is increased density of dermal fibroblasts which form interlacing bundles and whorls within the dermis. Lesions are mostly persistent, resist therapy, and tend to recur following treatment. In general, sarcoids are not fatal but their location, size, and progres...
Validation of standing cone beam computed tomography for diagnosing subchondral fetlock pathology in the Thoroughbred racehorse.
Equine veterinary journal    January 19, 2021   Volume 53, Issue 3 510-523 doi: 10.1111/evj.13414
Curtiss AL, Ortved KF, Dallap-Schaer B, Gouzeev S, Stefanovski D, Richardson DW, Wulster KB.Subchondral bone pathology is common in Thoroughbred racehorses and believed to precede more serious injury. Early identification of pathology is critical to allow for intervention. Objective: To determine interobserver variability of fetlock subchondral bone lesions using cone beam and fan beam computed tomography (CBCT, FBCT) and to validate a robotics-controlled CBCT to identify fetlock subchondral bone pathology in the Thoroughbred racehorse. Methods: Prospective cohort study. Methods: FBCT and CBCT images were acquired of 25 metacarpo-/metatarsophalangeal joints of Thoroughbred racehorses...
Reining in the Wound-Healing Response in an Equine Model with a Biomimetic Hydrogel.
ACS biomaterials science & engineering    January 19, 2021   Volume 7, Issue 1 1 doi: 10.1021/acsbiomaterials.0c01702
Pun SH.No abstract available
Optimisation and validation of immunohistochemical axonal markers for morphological and functional characterisation of equine peripheral nerves.
Equine veterinary journal    January 19, 2021   Volume 53, Issue 6 1188-1198 doi: 10.1111/evj.13403
Almuhanna AH, Cahalan SD, Lane A, Goodwin D, Perkins J, Piercy RJ.Horses are affected by various peripheral nerve disorders but defining their aetiology and pathophysiology is hampered by limited understanding of associated morphological and pathological changes and involvement of specific axonal types. Objective: To investigate the hypothesis that selected antibody markers, used in conjunction with various tissue processing methods, would enable identification of axons with different functional modalities within a range of equine peripheral nerves. Methods: Optimisation and validation study. Methods: A range of antibodies were evaluated immunohistochemicall...
Influence of osteochondrosis on the longevity and racing performance of standardbred trotters and pacers.
Veterinary surgery : VS    January 18, 2021   Volume 50, Issue 3 507-516 doi: 10.1111/vsu.13568
Boorman S, Hofmeister EH, Ross MW, Ralston S, Bell G, Mackie S, Ortved K.To determine the influence of clinical osteochondrosis (OC) on the short-term (2, 3, and 4-year-old) and long-term racing performance and longevity of standardbred racehorses. Methods: Retrospective case-control study. Methods: Standardbred racehorses from a single breeding farm born between 2009 and 2017 that survived to racing age (n = 2711). Three hundred eighty-two (14%) horses were OC-affected (829 lesions confirmed arthroscopically during surgical treatment), and 2329 (86%) horses were nonaffected. Methods: Racing performance data were obtained from an online database and evaluated with ...
The contraceptive efficacy of a self-assembling intra-uterine device in domestic mares.
Australian veterinary journal    January 18, 2021   Volume 99, Issue 4 130-136 doi: 10.1111/avj.13055
Joonè CJ, Gradil CM, Picard JA, Taylor JD, de Tonnerre D, Cavalieri J.The primary aim of this study was to investigate the contraceptive efficacy of a self-assembling uterine device (iUPOD™) in the mare. In addition, the effects of iUPODs on oestrous cyclicity, uterine health and circulating concentrations of cortisol were evaluated. Methods: Domestic mares underwent oestrous monitoring and artificial insemination. After subsequent ovulation, mares underwent either placement (n = 7) or sham placement (n = 7; controls) of an iUPOD device. Devices were left in place for at least 3 months. Pregnancy diagnoses were carried out 14 days post-ovulation, with any pr...
A Scoping Review of the Evidence for the Medicinal Use of Natural Honey in Animals.
Frontiers in veterinary science    January 18, 2021   Volume 7 618301 doi: 10.3389/fvets.2020.618301
Vogt NA, Vriezen E, Nwosu A, Sargeant JM.Honey has a history of medicinal use that predates written records. In recent decades, there has been renewed interest in the use of honey in human medicine, particularly for the treatment of burns and other wounds. Several recent systematic reviews in the human literature have demonstrated the efficacy of honey in the treatment of a number of conditions, including burns, wounds and oral mucositis. The goal of this scoping review was to describe the nature and extent of the current body of evidence addressing the medicinal use of natural honey and/or its derivatives in animals. Although the fo...
Effects of Leaving Amputated Ovaries Intra-Abdominally during Elective Bilateral Standing Laparoscopic Ovariectomy in Equids.
Animals : an open access journal from MDPI    January 18, 2021   Volume 11, Issue 1 232 doi: 10.3390/ani11010232
Devick IF, Hendrickson DA.There is risk of dropping an amputated ovary within the abdomen during standing laparoscopic ovariectomies in mares. If the ovary can no longer be directly visualized with the laparoscope, the procedure is then converted to a flank laparotomy for manual retrieval of the ovary which negates the minimally invasive nature of the laparoscopic procedure. The objective was to identify if ovaries left in the abdomen after amputation would atrophy or if they re-vascularize. Standing bilateral ovariectomies were performed in mature mares, but after transection of the ovarian pedicle, the ovaries were i...
Surgical Repair of a Unicortical Condylar Fracture in a Thoroughbred Racehorse Using a Bioabsorbable Screw.
Journal of equine veterinary science    January 16, 2021   Volume 99 103384 doi: 10.1016/j.jevs.2021.103384
Ravanetti P, Hamon M, Lechartier A, Zucca E.Surgical repair of unicortical fractures of the distal condyles of the third metacarpal/metatarsal bones (MCIII/MTIII) has been described. In the present case, a bioabsorbable screw was used to stabilize a unicortical fracture in the palmar aspect of the medial condyle of MCIII in a National Hunt Thoroughbred racehorse. The clinical, radiographic, and magnetic resonance imaging findings before and after surgery were recorded. Eighteen weeks after surgery, the lameness had resolved and the bone surrounding the fracture had recovered its normal architecture. One year after surgery, the horse was...
Influence of Milk Thistle (Silybum marianum) Seed Cakes on Biochemical Values of Equine Plasma Subjected to Physical Exertion.
Animals : an open access journal from MDPI    January 16, 2021   Volume 11, Issue 1 210 doi: 10.3390/ani11010210
Dockalova H, Zeman L, Horky P.Veterinarians can recommend milk thistle for the treatment of equine liver disease and laminitis. Milk thistle seed cakes were fed in the range of normal feed doses in this study. The milk thistle seed cakes were fed (twice a day) to the experimental group of the horses ( = 5) and biochemical blood markers (TP, Albumin, ALT (alanine transaminase), AST (aspartate transaminase), ALP (alkaline phosphatase), GGT (gamma-glutamyltransferase), Bilirubin, Cholesterol, HDL (high-density lipoprotein), LDL (low-density lipoprotein), TAG (triacylglycerol), BHB (beta-hydroxybutyric acid), NEFA (non-esterif...
Clinical Observations After Prebreeding Intrauterine Plasma Infusion in 18 Mares Inseminated With Thawed Frozen Semen.
Journal of equine veterinary science    January 16, 2021   Volume 99 103389 doi: 10.1016/j.jevs.2021.103389
Pasch L, Schmidt A, King W.The use of autologous blood processing tools including platelet-rich plasma (PRP) devices is increasingly widespread in veterinary medicine. In equine reproduction, a number of studies have explored the effects of intrauterine infusion of PRP on persistent mating-induced endometritis. Artificial insemination with thawed frozen semen incites an intrauterine inflammatory response and we sought to extend the applications of intrauterine PRP to normal mares being inseminated with frozen semen. We investigated a subset of our normal breeding population to observe the clinical effects of prebreeding...
Myeloperoxidase Inhibition Decreases the Expression of Collagen and Metallopeptidase in Mare Endometria under In Vitro Conditions.
Animals : an open access journal from MDPI    January 16, 2021   Volume 11, Issue 1 208 doi: 10.3390/ani11010208
Amaral A, Fernandes C, Rebordão MR, Szóstek-Mioduchowska A, Lukasik K, Pinto-Bravo P, Telo da Gama L, Jan Skarzynski D, Ferreira-Dias G.Neutrophils can originate neutrophil extracellular traps (NETs). Myeloperoxidase (MPO) is a peroxidase found in NETs associated to equine endometrosis and can be inhibited by 4-aminobenzoic acid hydrazide (ABAH). Metallopeptidases (MMPs) participate in extracellular matrix stability and fibrosis development. The objectives of this in vitro work were to investigate, in explants of mare's endometrium, (i) the ABAH capacity to inhibit MPO-induced collagen type I (COL1) expression; and (ii) the action of MPO and ABAH on the expression and gelatinolytic activity of MMP-2/-9. Explants retrieved from...
Detecting acute kidney injury in horses by measuring the concentration of symmetric dimethylarginine in serum.
Acta veterinaria Scandinavica    January 15, 2021   Volume 63, Issue 1 3 doi: 10.1186/s13028-021-00568-0
Siwinska N, Zak A, Paslawska U.Acute kidney injury (AKI) in horses may develop as a complication of a primary disease or following the administration of nephrotoxic drugs, and may pose a diagnostic challenge. Hence, the main objective of this study was to evaluate the concentrations and diagnostic significance of serum symmetric dimethylarginine (SDMA) and conventional renal dysfunction biomarkers in healthy horses, horses at risk of developing AKI, and horses with clinically evident AKI. A second aim was to assess how gastrointestinal disease and exposure to potentially nephrotoxic drugs affected SDMA levels. Thirty health...
Expression of the Wilms’ tumour gene and its association with PPARβ/δ in healthy skin and melanoma of horses.
Acta veterinaria Hungarica    January 15, 2021   Volume 68, Issue 4 374-379 doi: 10.1556/004.2020.00045
Rangel-Sánchez IY, Salas-Treviño D, Soto-Domínguez A, Garza-Rodríguez OI, Saucedo-Cárdenas O, Zapata-Benavides P, Zarate-Ramos JJ....The Wilms' tumour gene (WT1) has previously been described as an oncogene in several neoplasms of humans, including melanoma, and its expression increases cancer cell proliferation. Recent reports associate the expression of the PPARβ/δ gene (peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor beta/delta) with the downregulation of WT1 in human melanoma and murine melanoma cell lines. The aim of this work was to analyse the expression of WT1 and its association with PPARβ/δ in samples of healthy and melanoma-affected skin of horses by immunohistochemistry. WT1 protein expression was detected in hea...
Intraincisional medical grade honey decreases the prevalence of incisional infection in horses undergoing colic surgery: A prospective randomised controlled study.
Equine veterinary journal    January 15, 2021   Volume 53, Issue 6 1112-1118 doi: 10.1111/evj.13407
Gustafsson K, Tatz AJ, Slavin RA, Sutton GA, Dahan R, Ahmad WA, Kelmer G.Medical grade honey has previously been described as a prophylactic treatment for wounds. Local prophylactic treatment may be valuable in preventing post-operative incisional infections in horses undergoing colic surgery but has not been evaluated. Objective: To establish whether medical grade honey gel, applied on the linea alba intraoperatively, decreases the prevalence of incisional infections in horses undergoing colic surgery with no associated adverse effects. Methods: Prospective blinded randomised controlled clinical study. Methods: Horses older than 4 months that underwent colic surg...
Experimental evaluation of cortical screw placement in lag fashion into the distal phalanx in standing horses.
Acta veterinaria Hungarica    January 15, 2021   Volume 68, Issue 4 399-404 doi: 10.1556/004.2020.00054
Izing S, Béni D, Molnár S, Bakos Z, Bodó G.The objectives of this in vivo experimental study were to evaluate the feasibility of cortical screw insertion into the intact distal phalanx in standing sedated horses and to document potential postoperative complications. One cortical screw was randomly inserted in lag fashion into each distal phalanx in 9 horses. The second surgery on the contralateral limbs was performed 2-3 weeks after the first operation, when a 4.5-mm cortical screw was inserted in lag fashion into the distal phalanx of sedated horses following perineural analgesia. Following surgery, the drill hole was filled with an a...
The effects of an alpha-2-adrenoceptor agonist, antagonist, and their combination on the blood insulin, glucose, and glucagon concentrations in insulin sensitive and dysregulated horses.
Veterinary journal (London, England : 1997)    January 15, 2021   Volume 269 105610 doi: 10.1016/j.tvjl.2021.105610
Box JR, Karikoski NP, Tanskanen HE, Raekallio MR.Alpha-2-adrenoceptor agonists are sedatives that can cause fluctuations in serum insulin and blood glucose (BG) concentrations in horses. The objectives of this study were to investigate the effects of detomidine and vatinoxan on BG, insulin, and glucagon concentrations in horses with and without insulin dysregulation (ID). In a blinded cross-over design, eight horses with ID and eight horses without ID were assigned to each of four treatments: detomidine (0.02 mg/kg; DET), vatinoxan (0.2 mg/kg; VAT), detomidine + vatinoxan (DET + VAT), and saline control (SAL). Blood samples were taken at 0, ...