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Clinical studies in equine research involve the systematic investigation of health and disease in horses through structured scientific methods. These studies aim to evaluate the safety and efficacy of treatments, understand disease mechanisms, and improve veterinary care practices. Clinical studies can include randomized controlled trials, observational studies, and case-control studies. They may focus on various aspects such as pharmacokinetics, therapeutic interventions, and diagnostic techniques. This page compiles peer-reviewed research studies and scholarly articles that explore the design, implementation, and findings of clinical studies in equine medicine, providing insights into their impact on horse health and veterinary practices.
Balloon catheter occlusion of the maxillary, internal, and external carotid arteries in standing horses.
Veterinary surgery : VS    February 19, 2021   Volume 50, Issue 3 546-555 doi: 10.1111/vsu.13580
Genton M, Farfan M, Tesson C, Laclaire AL, Rossignol F, Mespoulhes-Rivière C.To assess the feasibility of balloon catheter occlusion of the internal carotid artery (ICA), external carotid artery (ECA), and maxillary artery (MA) in standing horses. Methods: Experimental and clinical cases series. Methods: Eight healthy horses (phase 1) and 11 clinical cases (phase 2). Methods: Occlusions were performed on standing horses under sedation and local anesthesia. In phase 1, four horses underwent bilateral ICA balloon catheter occlusion, and four horses underwent balloon catheter occlusion of the ECA and MA. In phase 2, horses were treated by occlusion of ICA (n = 7), ECA (n ...
B-Scan Biometry and Color Doppler Ultrasound Imaging of the Eye in Clinically Normal Donkeys (Equus asinus): Effect of Laterality, Maturity and Gender.
Journal of equine veterinary science    February 19, 2021   Volume 101 103419 doi: 10.1016/j.jevs.2021.103419
Wafy MN, Hassan EA, El-Maaty AMA, Abu-Seida AM.Despite the extensive research on ocular ultrasonography, there is paucity of information regarding ocular biometry and color Doppler imaging of the donkey's eye. This study establishes B-scan ocular biometry and color Doppler ultrasonographic reference values in normal donkeys and describes effect of laterality, maturity and gender on ocular biometry and vasculature. Forty (80 eyes) clinically normal immature and mature donkeys of both sexes were included. Transpalpebral ocular ultrasonography was made using a 12-MHz linear transducer. Biometric ocular measurements were made including the ant...
Equine simplified acute physiology score: Personalised medicine for the equine emergency patient.
The Veterinary record    February 19, 2021   Volume 189, Issue 5 e136 doi: 10.1002/vetr.136
de Barros AMC, Silva AFR, Zibordi M, Spagnolo JD, Corrêa RR, Belli CB, de Camargo MM.Scoring models are useful tools that guide the attending clinician in gauging the severity of disease evolution and in evaluating the efficacy of treatment. There are few tools available with this purpose for the non-human patient, including horses. We aimed (i) to adapt the simplified acute physiology score 3 (SAPS-3) model for the equine species, reaching a margin of accuracy greater than 75% in the calculation of the probability of survival/death and (ii) to build a decision tree that helps the attending veterinarian in assessment of the clinical evolution of the equine patient. Methods: Fr...
A Comparative Review of Autologous Conditioned Serum and Autologous Protein Solution for Treatment of Osteoarthritis in Horses.
Frontiers in veterinary science    February 19, 2021   Volume 8 602978 doi: 10.3389/fvets.2021.602978
Camargo Garbin L, Morris MJ.Many alternative treatments aimed at modulating osteoarthritis (OA) progression have been developed in the past decades, including the use of cytokine inhibitors. IL-1β is considered one of the most impactful cytokines in OA disease and therefore, its blockage offers a promising approach for the modulation of OA. Interleukin-1 receptor antagonist (IL-1Ra) is a naturally occurring anti-inflammatory protein belonging to the IL-1 family that competes with IL-1β for occupancy of its receptors, without triggering the same downstream inflammatory response. Because of its natural anti-inflammatory ...
Markers of muscle atrophy and impact of treatment with pergolide in horses with pituitary pars intermedia dysfunction and muscle atrophy.
Domestic animal endocrinology    February 18, 2021   Volume 76 106620 doi: 10.1016/j.domaniend.2021.106620
Banse HE, Whitehead AE, McFarlane D, Chelikani PK.Pituitary pars intermedia dysfunction (PPID) is a common endocrine disorder of aged horses, with muscle atrophy as one of the clinical signs. We sought to compare muscle mass and regulation of skeletal muscle proteolysis between horses with PPID and muscle atrophy to older horses without PPID, and to assess the impact of treatment with pergolide (dopaminergic agonist) on PPID horses. We hypothesized that PPID-associated muscle atrophy is a result of increased proteolysis, and that markers of muscle atrophy and proteolysis would improve over time with pergolide treatment. Markers of muscle atro...
A composite absorbable implant used to treat subchondral bone cysts in 38 horses.
Equine veterinary journal    February 18, 2021   Volume 54, Issue 1 97-105 doi: 10.1111/evj.13428
Ravanetti P, Lechartier A, Hamon M, Zucca E.In the last 30 years, several treatments have been proposed to treat subchondral cystic lesions (SCLs) but there have been no randomised studies to compare different methods and there is no consensus as to the optimal treatment. Objective: To evaluate a biocompatible absorbable implant for the treatment of SCLs in young horses in different anatomical locations. Methods: Retrospective case series. Methods: Horses with SCLs were treated with debridement through a trans-cortical extra-articular approach and an absorbable implant was inserted in the cavity. Clinical and radiographic follow-up was...
Alterations of Circulating Biomarkers During Late Term Pregnancy Complications in the Horse Part I: Cytokines.
Journal of equine veterinary science    February 18, 2021   Volume 99 103425 doi: 10.1016/j.jevs.2021.103425
Fedorka CE, Ball BA, Walker OF, McCormick ME, Scoggin KE, Kennedy LA, Squires EL, Troedsson MHT.Equine abortions are attributed to both infectious and noninfectious causes. Clinical extrapolations are often made from the experimental model for ascending placentitis towards other causes of fetal compromise, including various markers of inflammation, including the cytokines IL-2, 5, IL-6, IL-10, IFNγ, and TNF. It is unknown if these cytokine changes are noted under field conditions, or if they increase preceding other pregnancy related complications. To assess this, Thoroughbred mares (n = 702) had weekly blood obtained beginning in December 2013 and continuing until parturition. Fet...
Retrospective evaluation of association between perioperative antimicrobial protocol and complications following elective equine synovial endoscopy.
Veterinary medicine and science    February 17, 2021   Volume 7, Issue 3 609-620 doi: 10.1002/vms3.447
Pezzanite LM, Griffenhagen GM, Krause DM, Hendrickson DA.Prophylactic perioperative antimicrobial protocols in equine synovial endoscopy have been described but not compared with respect to post-operative outcomes and complications. Increasing antimicrobial resistance in equine practice and interest in promoting judicious use of antimicrobials has prompted reevaluation of drug selection and dosing strategies. To determine the frequency of and compare post-operative complications following elective synovial endoscopy between horses receiving different perioperative antimicrobial protocols. Records from the Colorado State University Veterinary Teachin...
Stress fracture of the palmar, distal cortex of the third metacarpal bone: A diagnostic challenge with a good prognosis.
Equine veterinary journal    February 17, 2021   Volume 54, Issue 1 74-81 doi: 10.1111/evj.13426
Shan R, Johnston AS, Rosanowski SM, O'Shea J, Riggs CM.Transverse stress fracture of the palmar cortex of the distal aspect of the third metacarpal bone (TSF PCD McIII) is poorly documented. Objective: To describe the typical signalment of this injury, the common clinical and radiological signs and prognosis. Methods: A retrospective hospital-based case series with follow-up of racing records. Methods: All cases of TSF PCD McIII diagnosed among racehorses in training at the Hong Kong Jockey Club between 2011 and 2019 were identified. Clinical records were reviewed and documented signs were recorded for each case. Findings from a predefined list of...
Evaluating the efficacy of surgical excision and topical dimethyl sulphoxide (DMSO) in the treatment of equine cutaneous pythiosis.
Iranian journal of veterinary research    February 16, 2021   Volume 21, Issue 4 301-307 
Atiba A, Ghazy A, Hamad MH.Cutaneous pythiosis in horses is a chronic ulcerative granulomatous disease caused by the oomycete Pythium insidiosum. Objective: The objective of the present study was to evaluate the response of cutaneous pythiosis in horses to surgical excision and topical dimethyl sulphoxide (DMSO). Methods: Thirty horses were presented clinically with pruritus, fistulae discharging serosanguineous fluid, and output kunkers in different body areas (limb, abdomen, neck, and face). The clinical diagnosis was confirmed by isolation of the causative agent and histopathology. All animals were treated by surgica...
Tracing oral Na+ and K+ in sweat during exercise and recovery in horses.
Experimental physiology    February 16, 2021   Volume 106, Issue 4 972-982 doi: 10.1113/EP089232
Lindinger MI, Waller AP.What is the central question of this study? What are the mechanisms by which equine sweat glands transport sodium, potassium and water into sweat? What is the main finding and its importance? The flux of sodium into sweat does not have an active transport component, the flux of potassium into sweat is partially dependent on an active transport mechanism, and there is no evidence for paracellular transport. In two series of experiments, this study used radioactive sodium (Na ) and potassium (K ) to trace the net flux, and calculate the unidirectional fluxes, of these ions from extracellular flu...
Development, Validation, and Reliability of a Sedation Scale in Horses (EquiSed).
Frontiers in veterinary science    February 16, 2021   Volume 8 611729 doi: 10.3389/fvets.2021.611729
de Oliveira AR, Gozalo-Marcilla M, Ringer SK, Schauvliege S, Fonseca MW, Trindade PHE, Puoli Filho JNP, Luna SPL.The lack of standardization of sedation scales in horses limits the reproducibility between different studies. This prospective, randomized, blinded, horizontal and controlled trial aimed to validate a scale for sedation in horses (EquiSed). Seven horses were treated with intravenous detomidine in low/high doses alone (DL 2.5 μg/kg + 6.25 μg/kg/h; DH 5 μg/kg +12.5 μg/kg/h) or associated with methadone (DLM and DHM, 0.2 mg/kg + 0.05 mg/kg/h) and with low (ACPL 0.02 mg/kg) or high (ACPH 0.09 mg/kg) doses of acepromazine alone. Horses were filmed at (i) baseline (ii) peak, (iii) intermediate,...
The treatment of articular cartilage injuries with mesenchymal stem cells in different animal species.
Open veterinary journal    February 16, 2021   Volume 11, Issue 1 128-134 doi: 10.4314/ovj.v11i1.19
Ganiev I, Alexandrova N, Aimaletdinov A, Rutland C, Malanyeva A, Rizvanov A, Zakirova E.One of the major problems observed in veterinary practice is articular cartilage injuries in animals. In terms of agriculture, it leads to their culling from the herd, even if they are highly productive animals. With companion animals, owners usually have to decide between euthanasia or long-term sometimes lifelong treatment of the injury by a veterinarian. The use of mesenchymal stem cells (MSCs) for the treatment of cartilage injury in veterinary medicine is based on the good results observed in preclinical studies, where large animals have been used as experimental models to study the regen...
Real-time three-dimensional echocardiography for left atrial volume assessment in Thoroughbred racehorses: Observer variability and comparison with two-dimensional echocardiography.
Equine veterinary journal    February 15, 2021   Volume 54, Issue 1 176-190 doi: 10.1111/evj.13408
Worsman FCF, Miller ZJ, Shaw DJ, Blissitt KJ, Keen JA.Left atrial size predicts cardiac morbidity and mortality in humans and dogs. Real-time three-dimensional echocardiography (3DE) may be reliable for assessing left atrial volume (LAV) in horses. Objective: To determine intra- and interobserver variability estimates of 3DE-LAV and compare it to that of 2DE-LAV estimates. Methods: Method comparison. Methods: 3DE datasets were obtained from 40 horses, then graded for quality, creating a final study population of 22 horses. The 3DE and 2DE maximum LAV (LAV ) and minimum LAV (LAV ) were measured, and left atrial emptying volume (LA EV) and left atr...
Osteochondral fragmentation of the cervical articular process joints; prevalence in horses undergoing CT for investigation of cervical dysfunction.
Equine veterinary journal    February 15, 2021   Volume 54, Issue 1 106-113 doi: 10.1111/evj.13410
Tucker R, Hall YS, Hughes TK, Parker RA.Computed tomography (CT) imaging of the cervical spine of mature horses under general anaesthesia is becoming increasingly accessible. Osteochondral fragmentation (OF) of the cervical articular process joints (APJs) has been identified on CT imaging; the prevalence, clinical features and significance of this finding are currently unknown. Objective: To describe the prevalence and clinical features of a population of horses with CT evidence of OF within the cervical APJs. Methods: Retrospective, descriptive case series. Methods: The study population consisted of all horses undergoing CT imaging...
Evaluation of the perioperative stress response from dexmedetomidine infusion alone, with butorphanol bolus or remifentanil infusion compared with ketamine and morphine infusions in isoflurane-anesthetized horses.
Veterinary anaesthesia and analgesia    February 15, 2021   Volume 48, Issue 3 344-355 doi: 10.1016/j.vaa.2021.01.006
Fujiyama M, Jones T, Duke-Novakovski T.To evaluate perioperative stress-related hormones in isoflurane-anesthetized horses administered infusions of dexmedetomidine alone or with butorphanol or remifentanil, compared with ketamine-morphine. Methods: Randomized, prospective, nonblinded clinical study. Methods: A total of 51 horses undergoing elective surgical procedures. Methods: Horses were premedicated with xylazine, anesthesia induced with ketamine-diazepam and maintained with isoflurane and one of four intravenous infusions. Partial intravenous anesthesia (PIVA) was achieved with dexmedetomidine (1.0 μg kg hour; group D; 12 hor...
Evaluation of fasting plasma insulin and proxy measurements to assess insulin sensitivity in horses.
BMC veterinary research    February 15, 2021   Volume 17, Issue 1 78 doi: 10.1186/s12917-021-02781-5
Lindåse S, Nostell K, Bergsten P, Forslund A, Bröjer J.Proxies are mathematical calculations based on fasting glucose and/or insulin concentrations developed to allow prediction of insulin sensitivity (IS) and β-cell response. These proxies have not been evaluated in horses with insulin dysregulation. The first objective of this study was to evaluate how fasting insulin (FI) and proxies for IS (1/Insulin, reciprocal of the square root of insulin (RISQI) and the quantitative insulin sensitivity check index (QUICKI)) and β-cell response (the modified insulin-to-glucose ratio (MIRG) and the homeostatic model assessment of β-cell function (HOMA-β)...
Functional phenotyping of the CYP2D6 probe drug codeine in the horse.
BMC veterinary research    February 13, 2021   Volume 17, Issue 1 77 doi: 10.1186/s12917-021-02788-y
Gretler SR, Finno CJ, Kass PH, Knych HK.In humans, the drug metabolizing enzyme CYP2D6 is highly polymorphic resulting in substantial differences in the metabolism of drugs including anti-arrhythmics, neuroleptics, and opioids. The objective of this study was to phenotype a population of 100 horses from five different breeds and assess differences in the metabolic activity of the equine CYP2D6 homolog using codeine as a probe drug. Administration of a probe drug is a common method used for patient phenotyping in human medicine, whereby the ratio of parent drug to metabolite (metabolic ratio, MR) can be used to compare relative enzym...
Animal Interaction Affecting Core Deficit Domains Among Children with Autism: A Meta-Analysis.
Journal of autism and developmental disorders    February 13, 2021   Volume 51, Issue 12 4605-4620 doi: 10.1007/s10803-021-04891-3
Droboniku MJ, Mychailyszyn MP.Animal-assisted intervention (AAI) has garnered public interest and has been implemented for youth with autism spectrum disorders-a practice supported by anecdotal evidence. While investigations of AAI for children with autism have been conducted, the extant literature is characterized by significant variability in methodology and practice. The present meta-analysis examines the aggregated effects of equine AAI on adaptive functioning among children with autism. Results indicated that interacting with an equine specifically during AAI produced small-to-medium effects (g = 0.40) on the adap...
First isolation of Klebsiella variicola from a horse pleural effusion.
BMC veterinary research    February 12, 2021   Volume 17, Issue 1 75 doi: 10.1186/s12917-021-02776-2
Mondo E, Rinnovati R, Spadari A, Giacometti F, Serraino A, Savini F, Piva S.Respiratory diseases are the second most common cause of illnesses in horses, their etiology can be viral, bacterial, immune-mediated, or mechanical (Racklyeft and Love DN, Aust Vet J 78:549-59, 2000; Austin et al., J Am Vet Med Assoc 207:325-328, 1995; Arroyo et al., J Vet Intern Med 31:894-900, 2017). Klebsiella variicola is a Gram-negative bacterium that was initially identified as an endophyte in soil and plants such as bananas, rice, sugar cane and maize but recent studies have identified this microorganism as an emerging pathogen in humans (Rodríguez-Medina et al., Emerg Microbes Infec...
Pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics of intravenous continuous rate infusion and repeated intramuscular administration of dexmedetomidine in standing horses.
Journal of veterinary pharmacology and therapeutics    February 12, 2021   Volume 44, Issue 4 533-543 doi: 10.1111/jvp.12951
Shane SE, Langston VC, Wills RW, Denney WS, Knych H, Fontenot RL, Meyer RE, Natalini CC.An ideal dexmedetomidine protocol has yet to be determined for standing sedation in horses. It was hypothesized that an IV bolus followed by CRI dexmedetomidine would have a quicker increase in plasma concentrations compared with repeated IM injections. In a crossover design, eight adult, female horses were randomly placed into two groups: the CRI group (IV bolus dexmedetomidine at 0.005 mg/kg followed by a CRI at 0.01 mg/kg/h for 15 min then 0.005 mg/kg/h for 60 min) and the IM group (dexmedetomidine at 0.01 mg/kg, followed by 0.005 mg/kg in 30-min intervals for 60 min). Clearance and...
Effects of continuous passage on the immunomodulatory properties of equine bone marrow-derived mesenchymal stem cells in vitro.
Veterinary immunology and immunopathology    February 12, 2021   Volume 234 110203 doi: 10.1016/j.vetimm.2021.110203
Connard SS, Linardi RL, Even KM, Berglund AK, Schnabel LV, Ortved KF.The immunomodulatory properties of mesenchymal stem cells (MSCs) have been studied extensively due to their increasing clinical application for tissue regeneration and repair following culture expansion. We have studied the effect of continuous passage on the immunomodulatory capacity of equine bone marrow-derived MSCs (BM-MSCs). Equine BM-MSCs were isolated and culture expanded to passage three, six, and nine (P3, P6, P9). Immunomodulatory properties of each passage were assessed using a T cell proliferation assay and cytokine synthesis following stimulation with interferon gamma (IFN-γ). Re...
Impact of Yeast Endometritis on Fertility in the Mare.
Journal of equine veterinary science    February 11, 2021   Volume 99 103409 doi: 10.1016/j.jevs.2021.103409
Nielsen JM, Fog P, Bojesen AM.The breeding prognosis for a mare with fungal (yeast or mold) endometritis is generally considered poor. To our knowledge, however, no reports have been published on the expected pregnancy rate for mares diagnosed with a fungal infection. Insemination records from 3,223 mares inseminated at two stud farms were retrospectively examined. Mares diagnosed with fungal endometritis were all treated with uterine lavage using physiological saline, intrauterine deposition of 100 mg Clotrimazole vagitorial tablets and oxytocin (10 i.e., i.m.) for three consecutive days. From mares with signs of endometr...
Strangulated internal abdominal hernia caused by horse riding.
Polish archives of internal medicine    February 11, 2021   Volume 131, Issue 3 290-291 doi: 10.20452/pamw.15805
Kaliszewski K, Szwed D, Śliwa A, Rudnicki J.No abstract available
The Safety, Tolerability and Efficacy of Probiotic Bacteria for Equine Use.
Journal of equine veterinary science    February 11, 2021   Volume 99 103407 doi: 10.1016/j.jevs.2021.103407
Cooke CG, Gibb Z, Harnett JE.Probiotic bacteria are used widely as nutritional supplements and treatment interventions in the management of livestock and companion animals. The aim of this review is to summarize the current evidence reporting on the safety, tolerability and efficacy of probiotic bacteria use in horses. An online search of five databases for studies reporting on the use of probiotic bacteria use in horses which were either healthy or had a gastrointestinal or extraintestinal disease was conducted. A total of 18 articles were eligible for full review. No clear benefits were identified to support supplementa...
Does the Low-Field MRI Appearance of Intraosseous STIR Hyperintensity in Equine Cadaver Limbs Change when Subjected to a Freeze-Thaw Process?
Animals : an open access journal from MDPI    February 11, 2021   Volume 11, Issue 2 475 doi: 10.3390/ani11020475
Johnston GCA, Ahern BJ, Woldeyohannes SM, Young AC.Equine advanced imaging research involving racehorse fetlock pathology commonly uses cadaver limbs and a freeze-thaw process. The presence of short tau inversion recovery (STIR) signal intensity in the distal third metacarpal/metatarsal bone is of particular interest and may be clinically relevant in the diagnosis of horses at risk of fracture. However, little is known about the effect of the freeze-thaw process on the MRI appearance of STIR hyperintensity in these bones. This study compares the low-field MRI appearance of the distal third metacarpal/metatarsal bone from cadaver limbs of Thoro...
Comparison of intraoperative cardiorespiratory and behavioral responses to medetomidine combined with tramadol or butorphanol during standing laparoscopic ovariectomy in horses.
The Journal of veterinary medical science    February 11, 2021   Volume 83, Issue 4 643-647 doi: 10.1292/jvms.20-0397
Kim A, Sasaki N, Lee I, Seo JP.The purpose of this study was to assess the cardiorespiratory and behavioral responses to the combination of medetomidine and tramadol (M-T) or butorphanol (M-B) in standing laparoscopic ovariectomy in horses. One ovary was removed under M-T and the contralateral ovary was removed under M-B with at least 4 weeks between operations at random. Horses were sedated using intravenous medetomidine (5 µg/kg) followed by tramadol (1 mg/kg) or butorphanol (10 µg/kg) after 5 min. Sedation was maintained through the repeated injection of medetomidine (1 µg/kg) and tramadol (0.4 mg/kg) or medetomidine ...
Patterns of injury following equine trauma: a non-trauma centre experience.
Scottish medical journal    February 11, 2021   Volume 66, Issue 2 73-76 doi: 10.1177/0036933021994264
Dick L, Yule M, Green J, Young J.Horse riding carries risk of injury which can result in fatality. The majority of published literature describes major trauma centre experience. We aimed to characterise injury patterns following equine trauma at a Scottish district general hospital. Methods: A retrospective review of admissions following equine trauma was undertaken from 2014 to 2019. Mechanism and nature of injuries were noted. Patient management and outcomes were recorded and analysed to determine correlation. Results: Of the 162 patients identified, 121 (74.7 per cent) were female. The commonest mechanism and injury sustai...
The Feasibility of Equine Field-Based Postural Sway Analysis Using a Single Inertial Sensor.
Sensors (Basel, Switzerland)    February 11, 2021   Volume 21, Issue 4 1286 doi: 10.3390/s21041286
Egan S, Brama PAJ, Goulding C, McKeown D, Kearney CM, McGrath D.(1) Background: Postural sway is frequently used to quantify human postural control, balance, injury, and neurological deficits. However, there is considerably less research investigating the value of the metric in horses. Much of the existing equine postural sway research uses force or pressure plates to examine the centre of pressure, inferring change at the centre of mass (COM). This study looks at the inverse, using an inertial measurement unit (IMU) on the withers to investigate change at the COM, exploring the potential of postural sway evaluation in the applied domain. (2) Methods: The ...
Evidence for anti-inflammatory effects of firocoxib administered to mares with experimentally induced placentitis.
American journal of reproductive immunology (New York, N.Y. : 1989)    February 10, 2021   Volume 86, Issue 1 e13396 doi: 10.1111/aji.13396
Macpherson ML, Giguère S, Pozor MA, Burden CA, Berghaus LJ, Berghaus RD, Varner JC, Hayna JT, Benson SM, Randell SA, Lyle SK, Kelleman AA, Hart KA....Minimal evidence exists supporting therapeutic selections for equine placentitis. The goal of this study was to characterize the anti-inflammatory effects of firocoxib when administered to mares with placentitis. Mares (gestation D270-300) were assigned to: INFECT (n = 6; placentitis, no treatment), FIRO (n = 6; placentitis, firocoxib, 0.1 mg/kg, PO, daily), and NORM (n = 6; no infection/treatment). Allantoic fluid (8 hours, 24 hours, birth) and amniotic fluid (birth) were collected from mares after infection. Concentrations of IL-1β, IL-6, TNF-α, IL-10, PGF , and PGE in fluids were...