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Topic:Equine Health

Equine health encompasses the study and management of diseases, disorders, and overall well-being of horses. It involves understanding various physiological systems, preventive care, and treatment strategies to maintain optimal health in equine populations. Common areas of focus include nutrition, infectious diseases, orthopedic conditions, and reproductive health. Research in equine health aims to advance knowledge on diagnostic methods, therapeutic interventions, and management practices that improve horse welfare and performance. This page collects peer-reviewed research studies and scholarly articles that explore the diverse aspects of equine health, offering insights into current findings and advancements in the field.
Biomarkers of Kidney Disease in Horses: A Review of the Current Literature.
Animals : an open access journal from MDPI    October 5, 2022   Volume 12, Issue 19 2678 doi: 10.3390/ani12192678
Galen GV, Olsen E, Siwinska N.Creatinine only allows detection of kidney disease when 60 to 75% of the glomerular function is lost and is therefore not an ideal marker of disease. Additional biomarkers could be beneficial to assess kidney function and disease. The objectives are to describe new equine kidney biomarkers. This systematic review assesses the available literature, including the validation process and reference values, following which the authors suggest recommendations for clinical use. SDMA may have some potential as equine kidney biomarker, but there is currently a lack of evidence that SDMA offers any advan...
Faecal egg counts and nemabiome metabarcoding highlight the genomic complexity of equine cyathostomin communities and provide insight into their dynamics in a Scottish native pony herd.
International journal for parasitology    October 5, 2022   Volume 52, Issue 12 763-774 doi: 10.1016/j.ijpara.2022.08.002
Sargison N, Chambers A, Chaudhry U, Costa Júnior L, Doyle SR, Ehimiyein A, Evans M, Jennings A, Kelly R, Sargison F, Sinclair M, Zahid O.Understanding the composition of gastrointestinal nematode communities may help to mitigate or exploit parasite adaptations within their host. We have used nemabiome deep amplicon sequencing of internal transcribed spacer-2 (ITS-2) ribosomal DNA to describe the temporal and host species composition of gastrointestinal nematode communities following sampling of six Scottish ponies across 57 months. In the absence of parasite control, each horse showed seasonal trends of increases and decreases in faecal egg counts, consistent with the epidemiology of equine strongylid parasites, however, the c...
Diagnostic value of full-mouth radiography in horses.
Frontiers in veterinary science    October 5, 2022   Volume 9 971886 doi: 10.3389/fvets.2022.971886
Bishop IT.In this observational study, oral examinations and full-mouth dental radiographs were performed on 248 horses presented for routine oral health care. The findings were assessed to determine how often disease was diagnosed by radiographs without having related findings on oral examination. In 50 horses (20%), there were radiographic signs of disease that would not have been predicted based upon the oral examination. 113 horses (46%) had oral examination findings that would have prompted dental radiography, according to the criteria of the study. Of these 113 horses, 24 (21%) had radiographic si...
Characterization of the Sarcidano Horse Coat Color Genes.
Animals : an open access journal from MDPI    October 5, 2022   Volume 12, Issue 19 2677 doi: 10.3390/ani12192677
Cosso G, Carcangiu V, Luridiana S, Fiori S, Columbano N, Masala G, Careddu GM, Sanna Passino E, Mura MC.The goal of this study was to contribute to the general knowledge of the Sarcidano Horse, both by the identification of the genetic basis of the coat color and by updating the exact locations of the genotyping sites, based on the current EquCab3.0 genome assembly version. One-hundred Sarcidano Horses, living in semi-feral condition, have been captured to perform health and biometric checks. From that total number, 70 individual samples of whole blood were used for DNA extraction, aimed to characterize the genetic basis of the coat color. By genotyping and sequencing analyses of the Exon 1 and...
[Is alfalfa hay an alternative to meadow hay in equine nutrition?].
Schweizer Archiv fur Tierheilkunde    October 5, 2022   Volume 164, Issue 10 721-731 doi: 10.17236/sat00371
Köninger M, von Velsen-Zerweck A, Eiberger C, Jilg A, Töpper A, Visscher C, Reckels B, Vervuert I.Roughage alternatives for equine nutrition must be found due to the increasing climatic challenges. The aim of this study was to examine the nutrient composition and feed hygiene of alfalfa hay in comparison to meadow hay and to investigate the acceptance, weight development and faecal quality of broodmares fed alfalfa hay. The feed used was examined for nutrient content and hygiene status according to the standards of the Verband Deutscher Landwirtschaftlicher Untersuchungs- und Forschungsanstalten (VDLUFA). Twenty adult pregnant warmblood mares were fed in two groups (n=10) with a defined am...
Equine Odontoclastic Tooth Resorption and Hypercementosis.
Journal of veterinary dentistry    October 5, 2022   Volume 39, Issue 4 346-357 doi: 10.1177/08987564221120715
James O.Equine odontoclastic tooth resorption and hypercementosis (EOTRH) is a recently described painful and progressive condition of unknown etiology that occurs in middle-aged and geriatric equines. It predominantly affects the permanent incisor and canine teeth and, less commonly, the premolar and molar dentition. EOTRH was first reported in peer-reviewed literature in 2008, with subsequent publications of case reports, histological studies and retrospective case series. There have been few significant research developments related to this disease. The existing studies have primarily involved sing...
Analysis of ancient and modern horse genomes reveals the critical impact of lncRNA-mediated epigenetic regulation on horse domestication.
Frontiers in genetics    October 5, 2022   Volume 13 944933 doi: 10.3389/fgene.2022.944933
Xu B, Yang G, Jiao B, Zhu H. The domestication of horses has played critical roles in human civilizations. The excavation of ancient horse DNA provides crucial data for studying horse domestication. Studies of horse domestication can shed light on the general mechanisms of animal domestication. We wish to explore the gene transcription regulation by long noncoding RNAs (lncRNAs) that influence horse domestication. First, we assembled the ancient DNA sequences of multiple horses at different times and the genomes of horses, donkeys, and Przewalski horses. Second, we extracted sequences of lncRNA genes shared in ancient ...
Theileria equi in the horses of Iran: Molecular detection, genetic diversity, and hematological findings.
Veterinary parasitology, regional studies and reports    October 5, 2022   Volume 36 100792 doi: 10.1016/j.vprsr.2022.100792
Kalantari M, Sharifiyazdi H, Ghaemi M, Ghane M, Nazifi S.In all equids worldwide, Theileria equi and Babesia caballi are believed to be two important erythrocytic protozoa that cause equine piroplasmosis. In addition, it was recently discovered that Theileria haneyi is another potential equine piroplasmosis (EP) agent. Ixodid ticks are the major vectors of these parasites. Equine piroplasmosis is of international importance and affects enormously the equine industry. In this study, for the first time, molecular prevalence and genetic diversity of piroplasma parasites (T. equi and B. caballi) in horses from Fars province (south of Iran) were determin...
Acute diarrhea in horses: A multicenter Canadian retrospective study (2015 to 2019).
The Canadian veterinary journal = La revue veterinaire canadienne    October 4, 2022   Volume 63, Issue 10 1033-1042 
Gomez DE, Leclere M, Arroyo LG, Li L, John E, Afonso T, Payette F, Darby S.This study describes the clinicopathological findings, diagnostic approach, treatment, and factors associated with non-survival of diarrheic horses admitted to 4 Canadian university teaching hospitals between 2015 and 2019. A total of 300 horses, ≥1-year-old, with acute diarrhea were included and represented 1.6% (300/18 481; range: 0.7 to 3%) of admissions during that period, 70% of the horses survived to discharge. Testing for enteropathogens was limited to a single fecal culture for Salmonella spp. in most cases. An enteropathogen was identified in 14% (42/300) of the horses, but in the h...
Short-term administration of flunixin meglumine or firocoxib does not alter viscoelastic coagulation profiles in healthy horses.
Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association    October 4, 2022   Volume 260, Issue 15 1963-1966 doi: 10.2460/javma.22.08.0367
Bishop RC, McCoy AM, Kemper AM, Stewart RM, Wilkins PA.To evaluate the effect of the cyclooxygenase-2-selective NSAID firocoxib, compared to the nonselective NSAID flunixin meglumine on viscoelastic coagulation parameters in healthy horses. 12 healthy adult mixed-breed horses. Following a crossover protocol, horses were administered flunixin meglumine (1.1 mg/kg, IV, q 12 h for 5 days), allowed a 6-month washout period, and then administered firocoxib (0.3 mg/kg, PO, once, then 0.1 mg/kg, PO, q 24 h for 4 days). Omeprazole (1 mg/kg, PO, q 24 h) was administered concurrently with each NSAID. Viscoelastic coagulation profiles and traditional coagula...
Concentration of Selected Essential and Toxic Trace Elements in Horse Hair as an Important Tool for the Monitoring of Animal Exposure and Health.
Animals : an open access journal from MDPI    October 4, 2022   Volume 12, Issue 19 2665 doi: 10.3390/ani12192665
Cygan-Szczegielniak D, Stasiak K.The main purpose of the study was to analyse the concentrations of selected essential and toxic trace elements in the hair of sports and recreational riding horses from studs located in central Poland and thus test the usefulness of this matrix for monitoring the exposure of these animals. We also measured the concentration of heavy metals in oats used as a basic component of the equine diet to investigate the interactions between these elements in the feed and hair. The basic chemical composition of oats was analysed. Elemental analysis was performed using an EcaFlow 150 GLP electrochemical a...
Gabapentin, a human therapeutic medication and an environmental substance transferring at trace levels to horses: a case report.
Irish veterinary journal    October 4, 2022   Volume 75, Issue 1 19 doi: 10.1186/s13620-022-00226-5
Brewer K, Machin J, Maylin G, Fenger C, Morales-Briceño A, Tobin T.Gabapentin, 1-(Aminomethyl)cyclohexaneacetic acid, MW 171.240, is a frequently prescribed high dose human medication that is also used recreationally. Gabapentin is orally absorbed; the dose can be 3,000 mg/day and it is excreted essentially unchanged in urine. Gabapentin is stable in the environment and routinely detected in urban wastewater. Gabapentin randomly transfers from humans to racing horses and is at times detected at pharmacologically ineffective / trace level concentrations in equine plasma and urine. In Ohio racing between January 2019 and July 2020,18 Gabapentin identifications...
Novel bridge multi-species ELISA for detection of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies.
Journal of immunological methods    October 4, 2022   Volume 511 113365 doi: 10.1016/j.jim.2022.113365
Considering the course of the current SARS-CoV-2 pandemic, it is important to have serological tests for monitoring humoral immune response against SARS-CoV-2 infection and vaccination. Herein we describe a novel bridge enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay (b-ELISA) for SARS-CoV-2 antibodies detection in human and other species, employing recombinant Spike protein as a unique antigen, which is produced at high scale in insect larvae. Eighty two human control sera/plasmas and 169 COVID-19 patients' sera/plasmas, confirmed by rRT-PCR, were analyzed by the b-ELISA assay. In addition, a total of 27 a...
Changes in Perioperative Antimicrobial and Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Regimens for Colic Surgery in Horses: A Single Center Report.
Veterinary sciences    October 4, 2022   Volume 9, Issue 10 546 doi: 10.3390/vetsci9100546
Gandini M, Cerullo A, Franci P, Giusto G.Reducing postoperative incisional infection is the main reason to administer postoperative antimicrobials (AMD) after emergency laparotomy in horses, while reducing inflammation and providing analgesia are the reasons to administer anti-inflammatory drugs (AID). The basis for postoperative AMD and AID administration is empirical and only recently has been questioned. Empirical approaches can be changed, and these changes, along with the description of their outcomes, can help produce appropriate stewardship. The aim of this study is to report the changes in AMD and AID regimens in horses under...
Characterization of preantral follicle clustering and neighborhood patterns in the equine ovary.
PloS one    October 4, 2022   Volume 17, Issue 10 e0275396 doi: 10.1371/journal.pone.0275396
Hyde KA, Aguiar FLN, Alvarenga PB, Rezende AL, Alves BG, Alves KA, Gastal GDA, Gastal MO, Gastal EL.Understanding the transition from quiescent primordial follicles to activated primary follicles is vital for characterizing ovarian folliculogenesis and improving assisted reproductive techniques. To date, no study has investigated preantral follicle crowding in the ovaries of livestock or characterized these crowds according to follicular morphology and ovarian location (portions and regions) in any species. Therefore, the present study aimed to assess the crowding (clustering and neighborhood) patterns of preantral follicles in the equine ovary according to mare age, follicular morphology an...
Retrospective review of atrial fibrillation in Standardbred racehorses at a tertiary care facility in Atlantic Canada.
The Canadian veterinary journal = La revue veterinaire canadienne    October 4, 2022   Volume 63, Issue 10 1051-1056 doi: 10.1111/evj.13551
Burns JJ, MacMillan KM, John EE.Atrial fibrillation (AF) is the most clinically relevant cardiac arrhythmia identified in the Standardbred racehorse. However, there is limited literature regarding athletic ability in Standardbred racehorses following AF conversion. To investigate this issue, the objectives of this review were to: i) determine the success rate in using quinidine sulphate to treat AF in a population of hospitalized equine patients in Atlantic Canada between January 2008 and December 2019; and ii) measure return to athletic ability (using racetrack earnings and top-3 finishes) following cardioversion with quini...
Ultrasonography of the Metacarpal/Tarsal-Phalangeal Joints in Healthy Racehorses: Normal Appearance, Breed-Related and Age-Related Features.
Animals : an open access journal from MDPI    October 3, 2022   Volume 12, Issue 19 2657 doi: 10.3390/ani12192657
Nocera I, Puccinelli C, Sgorbini M, Bagnoli E, Citi S.In adult horses, specific ultrasound (US) features and reference values have been reported for the appearance of the joint cartilage and thickness according to the type of joint, such as femoropatellar and tarsocrural. The US appearance of the fetlock has been described in several diseases. The present research evaluates the US features of the metacarpal/tarsal-phalangeal joints in healthy racehorses according to age and breed, since no information is available in the literature. Seventy-one fetlocks in 28 healthy horses (15/28 thoroughbreds and 13/28 standardbreds) were assessed. The horses w...
Retrospective Study on Risk Factors and Short-Term Outcome of Horses Referred for Colic from 2016 to 2022.
Veterinary sciences    October 3, 2022   Volume 9, Issue 10 545 doi: 10.3390/vetsci9100545
Straticò P, Varasano V, Palozzo A, Guerri G, Celani G, Revelant O, Petrizzi L.(1) Background: colic syndrome is a multifactorial life-threatening condition in equids. Awareness of predisposing and prognostic indicators is useful to adequately inform the owner of the outcome and plan the best treatment. The aim of the study was to identify the variables associated with short-term survival in a cohort of horses referred for colic to a veterinary teaching hospital; (2) Methods: medical records of horses referred for colic from 2016 to 2022 were retrospectively reviewed. Univariate and multivariate regression models were built to assess the odds ratios of discharge from the...
Fertility Control and the Welfare of Free-Roaming Horses and Burros on U.S. Public Lands: The Need for an Ethical Framing.
Animals : an open access journal from MDPI    October 3, 2022   Volume 12, Issue 19 2656 doi: 10.3390/ani12192656
Rutberg AT, Turner JW, Herman K.To be effective and publicly acceptable, management of free-roaming horses and burros in the United States and elsewhere needs a consistent ethical framing of the animals and the land they occupy. In the U.S., the two laws that largely govern wild horse and burro management, the 1971 Wild Free-Roaming Horse and Burro Act and the 1976 Federal Land Policy and Management Act ("FLPMA"), rest on conflicting foundations, the former based on an ethic of care and the latter on largely utilitarian principles. These conflicts specifically fuel debates over the selection of appropriate fertility control ...
The Influence of Age and Gender on the Serum XOR Activity, Leukocyte Gene Expression of XOR and MPO, and Biochemical Parameters in Newborn Foals.
Journal of equine veterinary science    October 3, 2022   Volume 119 104134 doi: 10.1016/j.jevs.2022.104134
Ghaeli T, Karimi B, Kojouri GA, Dehkordi RR, Ahadi AM.One of the initial responses of the host's innate immunity of newborns against pathogens is the use of oxidative enzymes. This study aimed to evaluate changes in serum xanthine oxidoreductase (XOR) activity, the leukocyte myeloperoxidase (MPO) and XOR genes expression, and some biochemical parameters in healthy Darehshuri newborn foals up to 60 days of life. Blood samples were collected from 16 foals at 1, 7, 15, 30, and 60 days and used for detecting XOR activity, biochemical parameters, and also gene expression by real-time RT-PCR. High activity of XOR was observed at birth, explained by phy...
Exploring the metabolome of seminal plasma in two different horse types: Light versus draft stallions.
Reproduction in domestic animals = Zuchthygiene    October 3, 2022   Volume 58, Issue 1 109-116 doi: 10.1111/rda.14270
Bazzano M, Zhu C, Laus F, Giambattista AD, Laghi L.The application of the 'omics' studies in the field of animal reproduction has been aimed at identifying novel biomarkers of fertility since the last few years. When assessing reproductive efficiency in horses, breed should also be taken into account as it can influence semen quality and fertility. Considering the growing interest in metabolomic analysis to evaluate male fertility, we aimed to investigate the metabolomic profile of seminal plasma in two different horse breeds. Twelve healthy stallions, n.6 American Quarter Horse (AQH) and n.6 Italian Draft Horse (IDH) stallions, regularly used...
A Retrospective Observational Cohort Study on the Expiration of Maxillary Cheek Teeth Infundibula in 217 Horses.
Journal of veterinary dentistry    October 3, 2022   Volume 40, Issue 1 12-18 doi: 10.1177/08987564221128116
Dickey JP, Carmalt JL, Reiswig JD.The determination of a horse's age by its dentition is a technique that has been employed by horse owners and professionals since at least 600 BC. While aging teeth based on incisor wear patterns is common, wear patterns in the cheek teeth may also be useful. As horses continue to live longer, we routinely examine horses into their 20's and 30's, and it is becoming more common to observe aging changes in the cheek teeth. To our knowledge, this study is the first to use easily obtained clinical observation of the expiration of cheek teeth infundibula to age horses of advanced ages (16 to 35 yea...
Are Horse Owners Able to Estimate Their Animals’ Body Condition Score and Cresty Neck Score?
Veterinary sciences    October 3, 2022   Volume 9, Issue 10 544 doi: 10.3390/vetsci9100544
Busechian S, Turini L, Sgorbini M, Pieramati C, Pisello L, Orvieto S, Rueca F.Obesity and overconditioning are becoming more prevalent in horses, and are influencing the animal's health, activity, and reproductive efficiency. Body condition score (BCS) and cresty neck score (CNS) have been correlated with the development of various diseases. Many of the papers in the literature evaluate the prevalence of obesity and overconditioning in horse populations considering BCS given by owners. The aim of this study was to evaluate the validity of the owners' estimation of the degree of equine obesity or overconditioning by comparing BCS and CNS provided by each owner and a boar...
Mining the equine gut metagenome: poorly-characterized taxa associated with cardiovascular fitness in endurance athletes.
Communications biology    October 3, 2022   Volume 5, Issue 1 1032 doi: 10.1038/s42003-022-03977-7
Mach N, Midoux C, Leclercq S, Pennarun S, Le Moyec L, Rué O, Robert C, Sallé G, Barrey E.Emerging evidence indicates that the gut microbiome contributes to endurance exercise performance. Still, the extent of its functional and metabolic potential remains unknown. Using elite endurance horses as a model system for exercise responsiveness, we built an integrated horse gut gene catalog comprising ~25 million unique genes and 372 metagenome-assembled genomes. This catalog represents 4179 genera spanning 95 phyla and functional capacities primed to exploit energy from dietary, microbial, and host resources. The holo-omics approach shows that gut microbiomes enriched in Lachnospiraceae...
Survey on the Presence of Equine Tick-Borne Rickettsial Infections in Southcentral United States.
Journal of equine veterinary science    October 3, 2022   Volume 118 104135 doi: 10.1016/j.jevs.2022.104135
Duncan KT, Sundstrom KD, Hunt D, Lineberry MW, Grant A, Little SE.Although ticks are known vectors of pathogens across a range of hosts, there is limited research on emerging tick-borne diseases of horses in the United States. Tick surveys from other regions suggest Rickettsia spp. and Ehrlichia spp. may be clinically relevant in horses. To better understand the transmission risk of these tick-borne rickettsial disease agents to horses, ticks were collected from horses in Oklahoma. Ticks for the current study (306 Amblyomma americanum, 20 Dermacentor albipictus, 19 D. variabilis, and 7 A. maculatum) were evaluated for Rickettsia spp. and Ehrlichia spp. using...
Generic approach for the discovery of drug metabolites in horses based on data-dependent acquisition by liquid chromatography high-resolution mass spectrometry and its applications to pharmacokinetic study of daprodustat.
Analytical and bioanalytical chemistry    October 1, 2022   Volume 414, Issue 28 8125-8142 doi: 10.1007/s00216-022-04347-2
Ishii H, Shibuya M, Kusano K, Sone Y, Kamiya T, Wakuno A, Ito H, Miyata K, Sato F, Kuroda T, Yamada M, Leung GN.In drug metabolism studies in horses, non-targeted analysis by means of liquid chromatography coupled with high-resolution mass spectrometry with data-dependent acquisition (DDA) has recently become increasingly popular for rapid identification of potential biomarkers in post-administration biological samples. However, the most commonly encountered problem is the presence of highly abundant interfering components that co-elute with the target substances, especially if the concentrations of these substances are relatively low. In this study, we evaluated the possibility of expanding DDA coverag...
Body Condition Score Is Not Correlated to Gastric Ulcers in Non-Athlete Horses.
Animals : an open access journal from MDPI    September 30, 2022   Volume 12, Issue 19 doi: 10.3390/ani12192637
Busechian S, Turini L, Sgorbini M, Bonelli F, Pisello L, Pieramati C, Orvieto S, Rueca F.Equine Gastric Ulcer Syndrome (EGUS) is a worldwide disease of the stomach that can be found in different categories of horses. Different clinical signs may be present, but a large number of horses are asymptomatic. The aim of this study was to identify a possible correlation between body condition score (BCS) and EGUS in a population of horses. A total of 203 non-athlete horses were submitted for gastroscopies, and the presence and severity of lesions of the glandular and squamous mucosa were recorded. A board-certified veterinarian blinded to the gastroscopy results assessed the BCS of the h...
Animal-assisted therapy in eating disorder treatment: A systematic review.
Eating behaviors    September 30, 2022   Volume 47 101673 doi: 10.1016/j.eatbeh.2022.101673
Fennig MW, Weber E, Santos B, Fitzsimmons-Craft EE, Wilfley DE.Eating disorders (EDs) are deadly illnesses with high relapse rates, highlighting need for better interventions. Animal-assisted therapy (AAT) has been implemented supplementally for EDs, with horses utilized at many residential facilities. AAT shows promise with meta-analyses of randomized control trials (RCTs) showing significant decreases in depression, anxiety, and negative affect; however, no review to date has evaluated efficacy for EDs. Therefore, this study conducted a systematic review of primary literature to investigate the efficacy of AAT for EDs. A systematic review was conducted ...
Epidemiological investigation of equine hindlimb ataxia with Setaria digitata in South Korea.
Journal of veterinary science    September 30, 2022   Volume 23, Issue 5 e75 doi: 10.4142/jvs.22045
Hwang H, Ro Y, Lee H, Kim J, Lee K, Choi EJ, Bae YC, So B, Kwon D, Kim H, Lee I.Since 2013, the number of requests for diagnosis for horses based on neurological symptoms has increased rapidly in South Korea. The affected horses have commonly exhibited symptoms of acute seasonal hindlimb ataxia. A previous study from 2015-2016 identified as the causative agent. Objective: This study is an epidemiological investigation to find out risk factors related to the rapid increase in hindlimb ataxia of horses due to aberrant parasites in South Korea. Methods: An epidemiological investigation was conducted on 155 cohabiting horses in 41 horse ranches where the disease occurred. Th...
Endocrine and ovarian responses to combined estradiol benzoate-sulpiride in seasonally anovulatory mares treated with kisspeptin.
Animal reproduction science    September 30, 2022   Volume 247 107087 doi: 10.1016/j.anireprosci.2022.107087
Bailey VN, Sones JL, Camp CM, Gomes VCL, Oberhaus EL.The objective of this experiment was to determine if incorporation of kisspeptin-10 (Kp10) into treatment with estradiol benzoate (EB) and sulpiride to induce early cyclicity would result in greater endocrine responses and a greater number of mares responding with either follicle(s) > 30 mm or ovulation within 25 days of treatment. Eighteen anestrous mares were blocked by breed, body condition, and age before random assignment to treatment or control. All mares received 50 mg EB before receiving osmotic minipumps containing either saline (n = 9) or Kp10 (50 μg/hour; n = 9) one day ...