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Topic:Gut Health

Gut health in horses refers to the condition and functioning of the equine gastrointestinal system, which includes the stomach, small intestine, cecum, and colon. This system is responsible for the digestion and absorption of nutrients, as well as the maintenance of a balanced microbiome. The gut microbiome, consisting of a diverse community of microorganisms, plays a role in digestion, metabolism, and immune function. Factors such as diet, stress, medication, and environmental changes can impact gut health, potentially leading to issues like colic or laminitis. This page compiles peer-reviewed research studies and scholarly articles that explore the anatomy, physiology, and microbial ecology of the equine gut, as well as the implications for overall horse health and management practices.
Assessment of fecal bacterial viability and diversity in fresh and frozen fecal microbiota transplant (FMT) product in horses.
BMC veterinary research    July 10, 2024   Volume 20, Issue 1 306 doi: 10.1186/s12917-024-04166-w
Long AE, Pitta D, Hennessy M, Indugu N, Vecchiarelli B, Luethy D, Aceto H, Hurcombe S.Currently, lack of standardization for fecal microbiota transplantation (FMT) in equine practice has resulted in highly variable techniques, and there is no data on the bacterial metabolic activity or viability of the administered product. The objectives of this study were to compare the total and potentially metabolically active bacterial populations in equine FMT, and assess the effect of different frozen storage times, buffers, and temperatures on an equine FMT product. Fresh feces collected from three healthy adult horses was subjected to different storage methods. This included different ...
Systematic evaluation supports the use of ELISA for quantification of calprotectin in equine feces, a first step toward noninvasive quantification of intestinal inflammation in horses.
American journal of veterinary research    July 9, 2024   1-10 doi: 10.2460/ajvr.24.04.0110
Bishop RC, Graham SM, Connolly SL, Wilkins PA, McCoy AM.To optimize and evaluate methods for the detection of the inflammatory biomarkers myeloperoxidase (MPO) and calprotectin (CP) in equine feces by ELISA. Methods: Healthy horses (n = 28) and horses with intestinal inflammation (n = 10). Methods: Feces were suspended in buffer to create fecal supernatant. Serum and fecal supernatant were analyzed using ELISA kits validated for the detection of MPO and CP in equine serum. Assay validation steps included intra- and interassay variability (coefficient of variation [CV]), dilution linearity, spike recovery, and sample type correlation. Variations in ...
Characterization of a novel multifunctional glycoside hydrolase family in the metagenome-assembled genomes of horse gut.
Gene    July 6, 2024   148758 doi: 10.1016/j.gene.2024.148758
Hu L, Li X, Li C, Wang L, Han L, Ni W, Zhou P, Hu S.The gut microbiota is a treasure trove of carbohydrate-active enzymes (CAZymes). To explore novel and efficient CAZymes, we analyzed the 4,142 metagenome-assembled genomes (MAGs) of the horse gut microbiota and found the MAG117.bin13 genome (Bacteroides fragilis) contains the highest number of polysaccharide utilisation loci sites (PULs), indicating its high capability for carbohydrate degradation. Bioinformatics analysis indicate that the PULs region of the MAG117.bin13 genome encodes many hypothetical proteins, which are important sources for exploring novel CAZymes. Interestingly, we discov...
The effect of anthelmintic treatment and efficacy on the faecal microbiota of healthy adult horses.
Veterinary parasitology    July 5, 2024   Volume 330 110241 doi: 10.1016/j.vetpar.2024.110241
Bell J, Raidal SL, Hughes KJ.Changes to the faecal microbiota of horses associated with administration of anthelmintic drugs is poorly defined. This study included horses with cyathostomin infection where susceptibility and resistance to oxfendazole and abamectin was known. This study assessed the changes to the faecal microbiota associated with administration of two different anthelmintics in this population. Twenty-four adult horses were included. Faecal egg counts were performed on all horses prior to random allocation into abamectin (n=8), oxfendazole (n=8) or Control groups (n=8) and at Day 14 post treatment. Faecal ...
Dysbiosis not observed in Canadian horse with free fecal liquid (FFL) using 16S rRNA sequencing.
Scientific reports    June 5, 2024   Volume 14, Issue 1 12903 doi: 10.1038/s41598-024-63868-1
Wester RJ, Baillie LL, McCarthy GC, Keever CC, Jeffery LE, Adams PJ.Free Fecal Liquid (FFL), also termed Fecal Water Syndrome (FWS), is an ailment in horses characterized by variable solid and liquid (water) phases at defecation. The liquid phase can be excreted before, during, or after the solid defecation phase. While the underlying causes of FFL are unknown, hindgut dysbiosis is suggested to be associated with FFL. Three European studies investigated dysbiosis in horses with FFL using 16S rRNA sequencing and reported results that conflicted between each other. In the present study, we also used 16S rRNA sequencing to study the fecal microbial composition in...
Changes of faecal bacterial communities and microbial fibrolytic activity in horses aged from 6 to 30 years old.
PloS one    June 3, 2024   Volume 19, Issue 6 e0303029 doi: 10.1371/journal.pone.0303029
Baraille M, Buttet M, Grimm P, Milojevic V, Julliand S, Julliand V.Horse owners and veterinarians report that from the age of 15, their horses can lose body condition and be more susceptible to diseases. Large intestinal microbiome changes may be involved. Indeed, microbiota is crucial for maintaining the condition and health of herbivores by converting fibres into nutrients. This study aimed to compare the faecal microbiome in horses aged from 6 to 30 years old (yo), living in the same environment and consuming the same diet, in order to assess whether the parameters changed linearly with age and whether there was a pivotal age category. Fifty horses were se...
Effects of astaxanthin on gut microbiota of polo ponies during deconditioning and reconditioning periods.
Physiological reports    May 30, 2024   Volume 12, Issue 11 e16051 doi: 10.14814/phy2.16051
Kawaida MY, Maas KR, Moore TE, Reiter AS, Tillquist NM, Reed SA.To determine the effects of astaxanthin (ASTX) supplementation on the equine gut microbiota during a deconditioning-reconditioning cycle, 12 polo ponies were assigned to a control (CON; n = 6) or supplemented (ASTX; 75 mg ASTX daily orally; n = 6) group. All horses underwent a 16-week deconditioning period, with no forced exercise, followed by a 16-week reconditioning program where physical activity gradually increased. Fecal samples were obtained at the beginning of the study (Baseline), after deconditioning (PostDecon), after reconditioning (PostRecon), and 16 weeks after the ces...
Relationship between the components of mare breast milk and foal gut microbiome: shaping gut microbiome development after birth.
The veterinary quarterly    May 10, 2024   Volume 44, Issue 1 1-9 doi: 10.1080/01652176.2024.2349948
Mady EA, Osuga H, Toyama H, El-Husseiny HM, Inoue R, Murase H, Yamamoto Y, Nagaoka K.The gut microbiota (GM) is essential for mammalian health. Although the association between infant GM and breast milk (BM) composition has been well established in humans, such a relationship has not been investigated in horses. Hence, this study was conducted to analyze the GM formation of foals during lactation and determine the presence of low-molecular-weight metabolites in mares' BM and their role in shaping foals' GM. The fecal and BM samples from six pairs of foals and mares were subjected to 16S ribosomal RNA metagenomic and metabolomic analyses, respectively. The composition of foal G...
Carbonate buffer mixture and fecal microbiota transplantation hold promising therapeutic effects on oligofructose-induced diarrhea in horses.
Frontiers in veterinary science    April 22, 2024   Volume 11 1388227 doi: 10.3389/fvets.2024.1388227
Tuniyazi M, Tang R, Hu X, Fu Y, Zhang N.Diarrhea is a common gastrointestinal disorder in horses, with diet-induced diarrhea being an emerging challenge. This study aimed to investigate the gut microbiota differences in healthy and diet-induced diarrheic horses and evaluate the effectiveness of fecal microbiota transplantation (FMT) and carbonate buffer mixture (CBM) as potential therapeutic approaches. Twenty healthy horses were included in the study, with four groups: Control, Diarrhea, CBM, and FMT. Diarrhea was induced using oligofructose, and fecal samples were collected for microbiota analysis. FMT and CBM treatments were admi...
Longitudinal effects of oral administration of antimicrobial drugs on fecal microbiota of horses.
Journal of veterinary internal medicine    September 8, 2023   Volume 37, Issue 6 2562-2572 doi: 10.1111/jvim.16853
Gomez D, Toribio R, Caddey B, Costa M, Vijan S, Dembek K.Antimicrobial drug-associated diarrhea (AAD) is the most common adverse effect in horses receiving antimicrobials. Little information on how oral administration of antimicrobials alters intestinal microbiota in horses is available. Objective: Investigate changes of the fecal microbiota in response to oral administration of antimicrobials. Methods: Twenty healthy horses. Methods: Prospective, longitudinal study. Horses were randomly assigned to 4 groups comprising 4 horses each: group 1 (metronidazole); group 2 (erythromycin); group 3 (doxycycline); group 4 (sulfadiazine/trimethoprim, SMZ-TMP);...
Gut microbiota changes in horses with Chlamydia.
BMC microbiology    September 2, 2023   Volume 23, Issue 1 246 doi: 10.1186/s12866-023-02986-8
Jin Y, Li W, Ba X, Li Y, Wang Y, Zhang H, Li Z, Zhou J.Zoonotic diseases pose a significant threat to public health. Chlamydia, as an intracellular pathogen, can colonize the intestinal tract of humans and animals, changing the gut microbiota. However, only a few studies have evaluated alterations in the gut microbiota of horses infected with Chlamydia. Therefore, this study aimed to investigate gut microbiota and serum biochemical indicators in horses with Chlamydial infection (IG) and healthy horses (HG). Fecal and blood samples were collected from 16 horses (IG: 10; HG: 6) before morning feeding for the determination of gut microbiota and serum...
Paneth cells in farm animals: current status and future direction.
Journal of animal science and biotechnology    August 15, 2023   Volume 14, Issue 1 118 doi: 10.1186/s40104-023-00905-5
Cui C, Li L, Wu L, Wang X, Zheng Y, Wang F, Wei H, Peng J.A healthy intestine plays an important role in the growth and development of farm animals. In small intestine, Paneth cells are well known for their regulation of intestinal microbiota and intestinal stem cells (ISCs). Although there has been a lot of studies and reviews on human and murine Paneth cells under intestinal homeostasis or disorders, little is known about Paneth cells in farm animals. Most farm animals possess Paneth cells in their small intestine, as identified by various staining methods, and Paneth cells of various livestock species exhibit noticeable differences in cell shape, ...
Fecal Microbiota and Diet Composition of Buryatian Horses Grazing Warm- and Cold-Season Grass Pastures.
Microorganisms    July 30, 2023   Volume 11, Issue 8 1947 doi: 10.3390/microorganisms11081947
Zaitseva S, Dagurova O, Radnagurueva A, Kozlova A, Izotova A, Krylova A, Noskov S, Begmatov S, Patutina E, Barkhutova DD.The Buryatian horse is an ancient breed and, as an indigenous breed, they have unique adaptive abilities to use scarce pastures, graze in winter, and survive in harsh conditions with minimal human care. In this study, fecal microbiota of Buryatian horses grazing in the warm and cold seasons were investigated using NGS technology on the Illumina MiSeq platform. We hypothesized that the composition of microbial communities in the feces of horses maintained on pasture would change in the different seasons, depending on the grass availability and different plant diets. We conducted microhistologic...
Effect of Supplementary Feeding on Milk Volume, Milk Composition, Blood Biochemical Index, and Fecal Microflora Diversity in Grazing Yili Mares.
Animals : an open access journal from MDPI    July 26, 2023   Volume 13, Issue 15 doi: 10.3390/ani13152415
Lu H, Zhang W, Sun S, Mei Y, Zhao G, Yang K.Grazing is a common approach to rearing. We investigated the effects of supplementation during grazing on milk yield and composition, blood biochemistry, and fecal microflora in Yili horses. The control mares grazed normally, while those in groups I and II received 1 kg/d of concentrate and 1 kg/d of concentrate + 0.4 kg/d of coated FA, respectively. Milk volumes were significantly higher in groups I and II than in the control group, and among the previous two, milk volumes were significantly higher in group II than in group I. Milk fat, lactose, and protein levels were significantly higher in...
The Effect of Dietary Synbiotics in Actively Racing Standardbred Horses Receiving Trimethoprim/Sulfadiazine.
Animals : an open access journal from MDPI    July 18, 2023   Volume 13, Issue 14 doi: 10.3390/ani13142344
Lagounova M, MacNicol JL, Weese JS, Pearson W.Synbiotics are often provided to horses receiving antibiotics to protect against microbiome disturbances, despite a lack of evidence for efficacy. The purpose of this study was to evaluate the effect of a synbiotic product in horses receiving antibiotics. Sixteen actively racing Standardbred horses were randomly allocated (four-way crossover) to one of four groups: antibiotics (10 days; AB), synbiotics (28 days; PROBIOPlusTM; PBP), PBP + AB, or Control. The fecal microbiome was investigated using 16S rRNA sequencing, and fecal dry matter (DM; %), pH, and scores (FS; 0-9) were measured. Data we...
Effect of ellagic acid on body weight, nutrient digestibility, fecal microbiota, and urolithin A metabolism in Thoroughbred horses.
Journal of animal science    July 9, 2023   skad232 doi: 10.1093/jas/skad232
Li J, Huang X, He L, Li C, Jing H, Lin J, Ma C, Li X.This study aimed to investigate the effects of EA supplementation on body weight, nutrient digestibility, fecal microbiota, blood biochemical indices, and urolithin A metabolism in one-year-old Thoroughbred horses. A group of 18 one-year-old Thoroughbred horses, with an average weight of 339.00 ± 30.11 kg, were randomly allocated into three groups of six horses each (three males and three females). The control group (n=6) received only the basal diet, whereas test groups I (n=6) and II (n=6) were fed the basal diet supplemented with 15 mg/kg BW/d and 30 mg/kg BW/d of EA, respectively, for ...
Exploring the Influence of Growth-Associated Host Genetics on the Initial Gut Microbiota in Horses.
Genes    June 27, 2023   Volume 14, Issue 7 doi: 10.3390/genes14071354
Lee J, Kang YJ, Kim YK, Choi JY, Shin SM, Shin MC.The influences of diet and environmental factors on gut microbial profiles have been widely acknowledged; however, the specific roles of host genetics remain uncertain. To unravel host genetic effects, we raised 47 Jeju crossbred (Jeju × Thoroughbred) foals that exhibited higher genetic diversity. Foals were raised under identical environmental conditions and diets. Microbial composition revealed that Firmicutes, Bacteroidetes, and Spirochaetes were the predominant phyla. We identified 31 host-microbiome associations by utilizing 47,668 single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs) and 734 taxa with...
The faecal microbiome of Exmoor ponies shows step-wise compositional changes with increasing levels of management by humans.
Equine veterinary journal    June 2, 2023   doi: 10.1111/evj.13961
Bull K, Davies G, Jenkins TP, Peachey L.Horses can suffer from gastrointestinal (GI) disease in domestic environments, often precipitated by human-led changes in management. Understanding the consequences of these changes on equine gut microbiota is key to the prevention of such disease episodes. Objective: Profile the faecal microbiota of adult female Exmoor ponies under three management conditions, representing increasing levels of management by humans, encompassing different diets; whilst controlling for age, breed and sex. Methods: Cross-sectional descriptive. Methods: Faecal samples were collected from three populations of Exmo...
What Is the Microbiota and What Is Its Role in Colic?
The Veterinary clinics of North America. Equine practice    April 28, 2023   Volume 39, Issue 2 381-397 doi: 10.1016/j.cveq.2023.03.004
Arnold CE, Pilla R.The fecal microbiome of the horse is reflective of the large colon and plays an important role in the health of the horse. The microbes of the gastrointestinal tract digest fiber and produce energy for the host. Healthy horses have Firmicutes, Bacteroidetes, and Verrucromicrobia as the most common phyla. During gastrointestinal disease such as colic or colitis, the microbiome shows less diversity and changes in bacterial community composition.
The Fibre Requirements of Horses and the Consequences and Causes of Failure to Meet Them.
Animals : an open access journal from MDPI    April 20, 2023   Volume 13, Issue 8 doi: 10.3390/ani13081414
Ermers C, McGilchrist N, Fenner K, Wilson B, McGreevy P.Failure to meet the minimum forage requirement of 1.5% of the horse's bodyweight and the opportunity for foraging for a minimum of 8 h a day (not going without this opportunity longer than four to five consecutive hours) can have both physiological and behavioural consequences. To provide an energy source for horses, rations often include starch rather than fibre. This can result in health issues related to the gastrointestinal tract (GIT) in the horse. In the stomach, the main concern is equine gastric ulcer syndrome (EGUS) and, more specifically, equine squamous gastric disease (ESGD). Ulcer...
A Systematic Review of Current Applications of Fecal Microbiota Transplantation in Horses.
Veterinary sciences    April 13, 2023   Volume 10, Issue 4 doi: 10.3390/vetsci10040290
Tuniyazi M, Wang W, Zhang N.Fecal microbiota transplantation (FMT) is a technique involving transferring fecal matter from a healthy donor to a recipient, with the goal of reinstating a healthy microbiome in the recipient's gut. FMT has been used in horses to manage various gastrointestinal disorders, such as colitis and diarrhea. To evaluate the current literature on the use of FMT in horses, including its efficacy, safety, and potential applications, the authors conducted an extensive search of several databases, including PubMed, MEDLINE, Web of Science, and Google Scholar, published up to 11 January 2023. The authors...
Direct and culture-enriched 16S rRNA sequencing of cecal content of healthy horses and horses with typhlocolitis.
PloS one    April 13, 2023   Volume 18, Issue 4 e0284193 doi: 10.1371/journal.pone.0284193
Zakia LS, Gomez DE, Caddey BB, Boerlin P, Surette MG, Arroyo LG.Next generation sequencing has demonstrated that alpha diversity of the fecal microbiota is significantly altered in horses with typhlocolitis. The objective of this study was to evaluate the bacterial composition of the cecum content of horses with and without typhlocolitis through direct and culture-enriched 16S gene sequencing of six healthy horses and six horses with acute typhlocolitis; a case-control study design. Cecal content was collected after euthanasia. An aliquot was used for direct 16S gene sequencing. Another was serially diluted with brain heart infusion (BHI) and plated onto f...
Effect of dietary iron supplementation on the equine fecal microbiome. Arantes JA, Borges AS, Zakia LS, Surette MG, Weese JS, Costa MC, Arroyo LG.Iron is an essential element for all living organisms, including bacteria, as several virulence factors and replication components are influenced by iron concentration. The objective of this study was to determine whether the composition and diversity of the fecal microbiota of adult horses are affected by supplemental dietary iron. Ten clinically healthy horses were randomly divided into a control and an iron-supplemented group ( = 5). The treated group was supplemented with oral ferrous sulphate monohydrate (720 ppm of iron), whereas the control group received 320 ppm of iron daily for 15 d....
Effects of Macleaya cordata extract supplementation on digestive parameters of ponies.
Archives of animal nutrition    April 5, 2023   Volume 77, Issue 2 110-120 doi: 10.1080/1745039X.2023.2187198
de Medeiros Ferreira JR, Mello Cerbaro AE, Bastos FL, Pereira RA, Duarte MA, Araújo Júnior ÂMC, da Silva AH, de Oliveira Gobesso AA.High amounts of grains in the equine diet led to high starch intake, causing gut alterations. Aimed at reducing harmful effects, extract (MCE) is a phytogenic additive that stands out for its antibiotic and anti-inflammatory effects proven in different species. However, there is no useful information for horses. The objective of this study was to evaluate the effects of different levels of the inclusion of commercial MCE on body weight (BW), body condition score (BCS), total apparent digestibility (AD) of nutrients, faecal pH and fermentative products, on ponies fed a high-starch diet. Eight ...
Dietary Fermentation Product of Aspergillus Oryzae Prevents Increases in Gastrointestinal Permeability (‘Leaky Gut’) in Horses Undergoing Combined Transport and Exercise.
Animals : an open access journal from MDPI    March 6, 2023   Volume 13, Issue 5 doi: 10.3390/ani13050951
McGilloway M, Manley S, Aho A, Heeringa KN, Whitacre L, Lou Y, Squires EJ, Pearson W.Equine leaky gut syndrome is characterized by gastrointestinal hyperpermeability and may be associated with adverse health effects in horses. The purpose was to evaluate the effects of a prebiotic Aspergillus oryzae product (SUPP) on stress-induced gastrointestinal hyperpermeability. Eight horses received a diet containing SUPP (0.02 g/kg BW) or an unsupplemented diet (CO) (n = 4 per group) for 28 days. On Days 0 and 28, horses were intubated with an indigestible marker of gastrointestinal permeability (iohexol). Half the horses from each feeding group underwent 60 min of transport by trailer ...
Fecal Microbiota, Forage Nutrients, and Metabolic Responses of Horses Grazing Warm- and Cool-Season Grass Pastures.
Animals : an open access journal from MDPI    February 22, 2023   Volume 13, Issue 5 790 doi: 10.3390/ani13050790
Weinert-Nelson JR, Biddle AS, Sampath H, Williams CA.Integrating warm-season grasses into cool-season equine grazing systems can increase pasture availability during summer months. The objective of this study was to evaluate effects of this management strategy on the fecal microbiome and relationships between fecal microbiota, forage nutrients, and metabolic responses of grazing horses. Fecal samples were collected from 8 mares after grazing cool-season pasture in spring, warm-season pasture in summer, and cool-season pasture in fall as well as after adaptation to standardized hay diets prior to spring grazing and at the end of the grazing seaso...
The influence of a probiotic/prebiotic supplement on microbial and metabolic parameters of equine cecal fluid or fecal slurry in vitro.
Journal of animal science    January 31, 2023   Volume 101 skad034 doi: 10.1093/jas/skad034
MacNicol JL, Renwick S, Ganobis CM, Allen-Vercoe E, Weese JS, Pearson W.The microbes that reside within the equine hindgut create a complex and dynamic ecosystem. The equine hindgut microbiota is intimately associated with health and, as such, represents an area which can be beneficially modified. Synbiotics, supplements that combine probiotic micro-organisms with prebiotic ingredients, are a potential means of influencing the hindgut microbiota to promote health and prevent disease. The objective of the current study was to evaluate the influence of an equine probiotic/prebiotic supplement on characteristics of the microbiota and metabolite production in vitro. E...
Diversity of the fecal microbiota in Chinese ponies.
Frontiers in veterinary science    January 26, 2023   Volume 10 1102186 doi: 10.3389/fvets.2023.1102186
Lv S, Zhang Y, Zhang Z, Meng S, Pu Y, Liu X, Liu L, Ma Y, Liu W, Jiang L.The gut microbiomes of equine are plentiful and intricate, which plays an important part in the growth. However, there is a relative lack of information on the microbial diversity in the pony's gut. Unassigned: In this article, 118 fecal samples from DeBa pony, NiQi pony and GuZh horse were studied by 16S rRNA amplicon sequencing. Unassigned: Diversity analysis was used to determine the difference of gut microbiota composition among different breeds. Alpha diversity analysis showed that the gut microbiota of NiQi ponies were abundant and various. Beta diversity analysis showed that the microor...
Species interactions, stability, and resilience of the gut microbiota – Helminth assemblage in horses.
iScience    January 25, 2023   Volume 26, Issue 2 106044 doi: 10.1016/j.isci.2023.106044
Boisseau M, Dhorne-Pollet S, Bars-Cortina D, Courtot É, Serreau D, Annonay G, Lluch J, Gesbert A, Reigner F, Sallé G, Mach N.The nature and strength of interactions entertained among helminths and their host gut microbiota remain largely unexplored. Using 40 naturally infected Welsh ponies, we tracked the gut microbiota-cyathostomin temporal dynamics and stability before and following anthelmintic treatment and the associated host blood transcriptomic response. High shedders harbored 14 species of cyathostomins, dominated by . They exhibited a highly diverse and temporal dynamic gut microbiota, with butyrate-producing Clostridia likely driving the ecosystem steadiness and host tolerance toward cyathostomins infectio...
Evaluation of Bacterial Composition and Viability of Equine Feces after Processing for Transplantation.
Microorganisms    January 17, 2023   Volume 11, Issue 2 doi: 10.3390/microorganisms11020231
Loublier C, Taminiau B, Heinen J, Lecoq L, Amory H, Daube G, Cesarini C.Fecal microbiota transplantation (FMT) has been used empirically for decades in equine medicine to treat intestinal dysbiosis but evidence-based information is scarce. This in vitro study aimed at assessing the effect of a commonly used pre-FMT processing method on the bacterial composition and viability of the fecal filtrate. Three samples of fresh equine manure (T0) were processed identically: the initial manure was mixed with 1 L of lukewarm water and chopped using an immersion blender to obtain a mixture (T1), which was left uncovered during 30 min (T2) and percolated through a sieve to ob...