Topic:Weight

Non-invasive electroarthrography measures cartilage in live horses and correlates to direct measurements of cartilage streaming potentials in weight bearing regions of equine metacarpophalangeal joints.
Osteoarthritis and cartilage    April 26, 2024   S1063-4584(24)01163-4 doi: 10.1016/j.joca.2024.04.007
Changoor A, Garon M, Quenneville E, Savard P, Buschmann MD, Hurtig MB.To perform non-invasive Electroarthrography (EAG) on live horses and establish relationships between EAG and direct measurements of cartilage streaming potentials in weight bearing areas of the equine metacarpophalangeal joint. Methods: EAG was performed bilaterally on the metacarpophalangeal joints of live horses (n=3). Separate experiments used metacarpophalangeal joint explants (n=11) to measure EAG obtained during simulated loading followed by direct measurements of cartilage streaming potentials on joint surfaces using the Arthro-BST probe. Joints were assigned to relatively normal (n=5) ...
Arthrospira platensis enriched with Cr(III), Mg(II), and Mn(II) ions improves insulin sensitivity and reduces systemic inflammation in equine metabolic affected horses.
Frontiers in endocrinology    April 16, 2024   Volume 15 1382844 doi: 10.3389/fendo.2024.1382844
Tomal A, Szu0142apka-Kosarzewska J, Mironiuk M, Michalak I, Marycz K.Equine metabolic syndrome (EMS) is a critical endocrine condition in horses, characterized by hyperinsulinemia, hyperlipidemia, and insulin resistance, posing a significant threat to their health. This study investigates the efficacy of supplementing EMS-affected horses with enriched with Cr(III), Mg(II), and Mn(II) ions using biosorption process in improving insulin sensitivity and glucose tolerance, reducing inflammation, and mitigating obesity-related fat accumulation. Our results demonstrate that supplementation reduces baseline insulin and glucose levels, contributing to decreased adipo...
Clinical findings and outcome predictors for multinodular pulmonary fibrosis in horses: 46 cases (2009-2019).
Journal of veterinary internal medicine    April 15, 2024   doi: 10.1111/jvim.17084
Craven A, Todd-Donato A, Stokol T, Liepman R, Glasberg I, Wilkins P, Luethy D, Wong D, Schoster A, van den Brom-Spierenburg AJ, Tomlinson JE.Prognostic indicators for equine multinodular pulmonary fibrosis (EMPF), an interstitial fibrosing lung disease, are poorly described. Objective: Describe diagnostic findings and outcome predictors for EMPF. Methods: Forty-six adult horses with EMPF. Methods: Retrospective multicenter case series from 2009 to 2019. Radiographic (n = 27) and ultrasonographic studies (n = 19) from EMPF horses and bronchoalveolar lavage fluid (BALF) cytology from 6 EMPF and 13 asthma cases were independently reviewed and blinded to diagnosis and outcome. Associations between predictor variables and surviv...
Anaesthesia-related morbidity associated with recumbent, low-field magnetic resonance imaging of horses.
New Zealand veterinary journal    April 7, 2024   Volume 72, Issue 3 141-147 doi: 10.1080/00480169.2024.2321176
Myhre MG, Azeem A, Barrett M.Medical records from 2009 to 2021 from a private equine referral hospital in Rochester, NH, USA were analysed for cases that underwent general anaesthesia for low-field MRI of the distal limb. These were used to determine peri-anaesthetic morbidity and mortality. Unassigned: Two hundred and forty-three anaesthetic episodes were recorded in horses undergoing low-field MRI. The peri-anaesthetic complication rate prior to discharge was 6.2% (15/243). No patients experienced a fatal complication. Ninety two of the 243 patients had multiple sites imaged, 90/243 received pre-anaesthetic dantrolene, ...
Optimization of the Amplification of Equine Muscle-Derived Mesenchymal Stromal Cells in a Hollow-Fiber Bioreactor.
Methods and protocols    April 2, 2024   Volume 7, Issue 2 32 doi: 10.3390/mps7020032
Duysens J, Graide H, Niesten A, Mouithys-Mickalad A, Ceusters J, Serteyn D.The main causes of mortality in horses are the gastrointestinal pathologies associated with septic shock. Stem cells have shown, through systemic injection, a capacity to decrease inflammation and to regenerate injured tissue faster. Nevertheless, to achieve this rapid and total regeneration, systemic injections of 1 to 2 million cells per kilogram of body weight must be considered. Here, we demonstrate for the first time the feasibility and expansion capacity of equine muscle-derived mesenchymal stromal cells (mdMSCs) in a functionally closed, automated, perfusion-based, hollow-fiber bioreact...
Follicular metabolic alterations are associated with obesity in mares and can be mitigated by dietary supplementation.
Scientific reports    March 30, 2024   Volume 14, Issue 1 7571 doi: 10.1038/s41598-024-58323-0
Catandi GD, Fresa KJ, Cheng MH, Whitcomb LA, Broeckling CD, Chen TW, Chicco AJ, Carnevale EM.Obesity is a growing concern in human and equine populations, predisposing to metabolic pathologies and reproductive disturbances. Cellular lipid accumulation and mitochondrial dysfunction play an important role in the pathologic consequences of obesity, which may be mitigated by dietary interventions targeting these processes. We hypothesized that obesity in the mare promotes follicular lipid accumulation and altered mitochondrial function of oocytes and granulosa cells, potentially contributing to impaired fertility in this population. We also predicted that these effects could be mitigated ...
A retrospective comparison of postoperative outcomes in ovariectomised jennies (Equus asinus) treated with phenylbutazone or flunixin meglumine.
Equine veterinary journal    March 18, 2024   doi: 10.1111/evj.14082
Xue C, Segabinazzi L, Hall A, Dzikiti TB, French H, Gilbert R.Clinically, flunixin meglumine (FM) and phenylbutazone (PBZ) are preferentially selected for the treatment of visceral and musculoskeletal pain, respectively, in horses. In donkeys, there is no information to support or refute this conventional conjecture. Objective: To compare postoperative outcomes in a group of jennies treated with intravenous FM or oral PBZ. Methods: Fourteen jennies unilaterally ovariectomised by standing left flank laparotomy. Methods: Retrospective cohort study. Methods: Data from medical records of ovariectomised jennies (case details, weight, non-steroidal anti-inflam...
Nutrient Composition and Feed Hygiene of Alfalfa, Comparison of Feed Intake and Selected Metabolic Parameters in Horses Fed Alfalfa Haylage, Alfalfa Hay or Meadow Hay.
Animals : an open access journal from MDPI    March 13, 2024   Volume 14, Issue 6 889 doi: 10.3390/ani14060889
Ku00f6ninger M, von Velsen-Zerweck A, Eiberger C, Lu00f6ffler C, Tu00f6pper A, Visscher C, Reckels B, Vervuert I.The aim of this study was to examine the nutrient composition and feed hygiene of alfalfa as well as investigate the feed intake, blood, urine and faecal parameters of horses fed alfalfa haylage (AS) compared with alfalfa hay (AH) and meadow hay (MH). A total of 11 geldings were fed ad libitum (2.1% dry matter (DM) of body weight (BW)) with alfalfa haylage, alfalfa hay and meadow hay (MH) in a Latin square design. On days 0 and 21 of the feeding period, blood samples were analysed for kidney and liver parameters. Faecal samples were analysed for pH, DM and short-chain fatty acids (SCFAs). Spon...
‘It’s more emotionally based’: Prince Edward Island horse owner perspectives of horse weight management.
Animal welfare (South Mimms, England)    March 11, 2024   Volume 33 e14 doi: 10.1017/awf.2024.9
Ross M, Proudfoot K, Campbell Nishimura E, Morabito E, Merkies K, Mitchell J, Ritter C.Horse obesity is a growing concern that can result in negative welfare. The role horse owners play in horse weight management is not well understood. This study aimed to: (1) explore the attitudes, beliefs, and perceptions of owners with overweight or obese horses regarding their horses' weight; and (2) understand the motivators and barriers for owners to implement, improve and maintain weight management-related strategies. A semi-structured interview guide based on the Theoretical Domains Framework was developed. Qualitative interviews were conducted with 24 owners in Prince Edward Island, Ca...
Effect of β-alanine on the athletic performance and blood amino acid metabolism of speed-racing Yili horses.
Frontiers in veterinary science    February 28, 2024   Volume 11 1339940 doi: 10.3389/fvets.2024.1339940
Li X, Ma J, Li H, Li H, Ma Y, Deng H, Yang K.The objective of this study was to examine the effects of supplemental β-alanine feeding on the athletic performance of Yili horses involved in speed racing, focusing on alterations in plasma free amino acid patterns pre and post exercise. Additionally, the research aimed to evaluate the effects of carnosine on the plasma acid-base buffering capacity and antioxidant levels in these horses. Twelve Yili horse stallions, averaging 3 years in age and 346.50 ± 21.39 kg in weight, were chosen and randomly divided into two groups: a control group and a test group, each comprising six horses...
Effect of Exercise Conditioning on Countering the Effects of Obesity and Insulin Resistance in Horses-A Review.
Animals : an open access journal from MDPI    February 26, 2024   Volume 14, Issue 5 727 doi: 10.3390/ani14050727
Pratt-Phillips S.Obesity is an important health concern in horses, along with humans and companion animals. Adipose tissue is an inflammatory organ that alters the insulin-signaling cascade, ultimately causing insulin dysregulation and impaired glucose metabolism. These disruptions can increase the risk of metabolic disease and laminitis in horses and may also impact energy metabolism during exercise. A single bout of exercise, along with chronic exercise conditioning, increases insulin sensitivity and glucose disposal via both contraction- and insulin-mediated glucose uptake pathways. Regular exercise also in...
Reported Agonistic Behaviours in Domestic Horses Cluster According to Context.
Animals : an open access journal from MDPI    February 16, 2024   Volume 14, Issue 4 629 doi: 10.3390/ani14040629
Fenner K, Wilson BJ, Ermers C, McGreevy PD.Agonistic behaviours are often directed at other animals for self-defence or to increase distance from valued resources, such as food. Examples include aggression and counter-predator behaviours. Contemporary diets may boost the value of food as a resource and create unanticipated associations with the humans who deliver it. At the same time the domestic horse is asked to carry the weight of riders and perform manoeuvres that, ethologically, are out-of-context and may be associated with instances of pain, confusion, or fear. Agonistic responses can endanger personnel and conspecifics. They are...
Fecal microbiota characterization of an Italian local horse breed.
Frontiers in veterinary science    February 15, 2024   Volume 11 1236476 doi: 10.3389/fvets.2024.1236476
Carrillo Heredero AM, Sabbioni A, Asti V, Ablondi M, Summer A, Bertini S.The Bardigiano horse is a traditional native Italian breed with a rich history and peculiar characteristics. Local breeds are proven to have unique genetic traits developed over generations to adapt to defined geographical regions and/or conditions. The specific microbial communities that coexist within these animals are unraveled by studying their microbiota, which permits a further step in the characterization of local heritage. This work aimed to characterize Bardigiano horse fecal microbiota composition. The data obtained were then compared with published data of a mix of athlete breeds to...
Pharmacokinetics/pharmacodynamics cut-off determination for fosfomycin using Monte Carlo simulation in healthy horses.
The Journal of veterinary medical science    February 12, 2024   doi: 10.1292/jvms.23-0476
Kuroda T, Minamijima Y, Niwa H, Mita H, Tamura N, Fukuda K, Toutain PL, Ohta M.Fosfomycin (FOM) is an approved veterinary medicinal product for large animals in Japan, but Clinical breakpoint (CBP) for antimicrobial susceptibility test (AST) is not defined for animals. This study aimed at conducting a pharmacokinetics/pharmacodynamics (PK/PD) analysis to determine the PK/PD cutoff for the CBP in horses. Drug concentrations following single intravenous administration (IV) of 20 mg/kg body weight (BW) FOM in nine horses were measured using liquid chromatography/mass spectrometry. The data were modelled using a nonlinear mixed-effects model, followed by Monte Carlo simulati...
Relationships between antral follicle count and reproductive characteristics of embryo-recipient mares.
Journal of equine veterinary science    February 10, 2024   105029 doi: 10.1016/j.jevs.2024.105029
Delchiaro SB, Oliveira PVLF, Ju00fanior RJP, Gonu00e7alves GD, Morotti F, Seneda MM.Mares (n=77) were evaluated by antral follicle count (AFC) and selected as embryo recipients. Cyclic recipients received embryos between days 4-6 after ovulation. The acyclic recipients received an intramuscular (i.m.) protocol with 5mg of estradiol benzoate (EB) on the day of donor ovulation (D0; D-4 recipient), 3mg of EB on the following day (D1; D-3 recipient), and 3mg of EB (D2; D-2 recipient). Furthermore, 1500mg of progesterone (P4) i.m. given on D0 of the recipient (D4 donor) followed by 1500mg of P4 on the day of ET (D4-6 recipient). On the ET day, the AFC and animals' weight, body con...
Assessing the cost efficiency and benefits of sawdust, pinewood, and rubber wood shavings as bedding materials.
Journal of equine veterinary science    February 3, 2024   105018 doi: 10.1016/j.jevs.2024.105018
Zailani NIM, Hanis F, Anuar MAM.This study aimed to evaluate the benefits of using sawdust, pinewood shavings, and rubber wood shavings as horse bedding materials. Nine horses were used in a repeated measure design, where each horse was provided with each of the bedding materials for two consecutive weeks. The weight, cost, mucking out time, ammonia emissions, and urine holding capacity were measured and calculated for each bedding material. Results showed that pinewood shavings had the highest urine-holding capacity, while rubber wood shavings had the lowest absorbency for urine. Pinewood shavings also had lower ammonia emi...
Effects of concentrate levels on intestinal fermentation and the microbial profile in Japanese draft horses.
Journal of equine science    January 18, 2024   Volume 34, Issue 4 101-109 doi: 10.1294/jes.34.101
Yano R, Moriyama T, Fujimori M, Nishida T, Hanada M, Fukuma N.In racehorses, feeding a high-concentrate diet could cause abnormal fermentation in the hindgut. This feeding management regime is not suitable for the nutritional physiology of horses. However, studies on the hindgut environment have yet to be reported in Japanese draft horses, so feeding management needs to be investigated in these horses. Therefore, the objective of this study was to investigate the effects of a high-concentrate diet on hindgut fermentation in Japanese draft horses. Feces were collected from 20 male Japanese draft horses managed by two stables with different feeding designs...
Radiographic assessment of normal parameters of forelimb distal phalanx in Turkmen horses.
Veterinary research forum : an international quarterly journal    January 15, 2024   Volume 15, Issue 1 43-47 doi: 10.30466/vrf.2023.562962.3653
Khaledi KA, Mirshahi A, Sardari K, Azizzadeh M, Ghasemi S.The Turkmen horse is one of the oldest breeds in the world with unique characteristics in agility, endurance and jump, being publicly acclaimed. Laminitis affects the limbs and decreases athletic performance. Radiographic evaluation is essential to confirm the sinking diagnosis in every breed of a horse suffering from laminitis. Since no information about distal phalanx radiographic measurements in this breed has been reported, the current study was designed and conducted. In the present study, 24 clinically sound registered Turkmen horses of both sexes (15 mares and nine stallions) were selec...
The equine umbilical cord in clinically healthy pregnancies.
Equine veterinary journal    January 14, 2024   doi: 10.1111/evj.14055
Lawson JM, Verheyen K, Smith KC, Bryan JS, Foote AK, de Mestre AM.Excessive umbilical cord length (UCL) is associated with equine pregnancy loss. However, a lack of UCL reference values makes it difficult to define excessive UCL. Further, factors associated with differences in UCL are poorly understood. Objective: To (i) report the total, allantoic and amniotic UCL in healthy term pregnancies in Thoroughbreds, (ii) describe the relationship between gestational age and UCL, fetal weight and crown rump length (CRL) using clinically normal pregnancies (CNPs) from mares dying during gestation, and (iii) identify associations between UCL and maternal age and pari...
Validation of a novel clinical tool for monitoring distal limb stiffness.
Frontiers in veterinary science    January 5, 2024   Volume 10 1271036 doi: 10.3389/fvets.2023.1271036
Jacklin BD, Hanousek K, Gillespie S, Liedtke A, Tucker R, Fiske-Jackson A, Smith RK.To validate a novel technique to measure limb stiffness in a clinical setting. Unassigned: Three horses and three ponies owned by the Royal Veterinary College. Unassigned: Limb stiffness indices for both forelimbs were first derived using the gold standard of kinematic analysis. Using the same animals, limb stiffness indices were then calculated using portable floor scales to record weight and an electrogoniometer to record changes in metacarpophalangeal joint angle. The two techniques were then assessed for correlation and repeatability. Unassigned: The repeatability of limb stiffness measure...
α-Casozepine supplementation shows no effect on foals’ growth and cortisol levels before and after weaning.
Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association    January 3, 2024   1-5 doi: 10.2460/javma.23.09.0545
Wood MK, Mason RM, Burk SV, Birmingham SSW.The goal of this study was to determine whether oral administration of α-casozepine (Zylkene) supplementation decreases the risk of disease in foals, as measured through salivary cortisol levels, temperature, clinical signs of disease, and body weight before and after weaning. Methods: 20 Thoroughbred foals were observed over 10 weeks, beginning 14 days prior to the time of weaning. Methods: Experimental foals were randomly selected and given α-casozepine daily for 10 weeks, while the controls received a placebo with the same frequency as the experimental group. The average daily height and ...
Lumbar vertebral bone density is decreased in horses with pituitary pars intermedia dysfunction.
Equine veterinary journal    December 27, 2023   doi: 10.1111/evj.14039
Colbath AC, Fortin JS, Burglass CM, Panek C, Vergara-Hernandez FB, Johnson TN, Robison CA, Logan AA, Nelson NA, Nielsen BD, Schott HC.Pathological fractures have been reported in equids with pituitary pars intermedia dysfunction (PPID) but their prevalence and pathogenesis is unknown. Objective: To compare: (1) bone mineral density (BMD) in weight bearing and nonweight bearing bones in PPID equids and aged and young PPID controls; and (2) biomechanical properties of the fourth lumbar vertebral body in PPID equids and aged PPID equids. Methods: Case-control study: five PPID equids and six aged and four young PPID control horses. Methods: PPID status was based on clinical signs and necropsy examination of the pituitary gland (...
Effect of micronization and meal size of corn grain on glycemic response and in vitro hindgut acidosis potential in horses.
Journal of equine veterinary science    December 7, 2023   104982 doi: 10.1016/j.jevs.2023.104982
Varasteh F, Ebrahimi SH, Naserian AA, Zerehdaran S, Miri VH.This study aimed to 1) evaluate the interaction of corn grain micronization and starch levels per meal on equine plasma glucose, and 2) determine if micronization affects the risk of hindgut acidosis. Six mature (aged 6 to 10 years), healthy, non-pregnant mares (initial body weight [BW]: 301 to 463 kg) were used in a 2×3 factorial cross-over design. The treatments included two forms of corn grain (ground and micronized flaked) at three levels of starch (1, 1.5, and 2 g/kg BW per meal). The blood was sampled before and 30, 60, 90, 120, 180, 240, and 300 min after morning feeding and the glucos...
Changes in Head and Pelvic Movement Symmetry after Diagnostic Anaesthesia: Interactions between Subjective Judgement Categories and Commonly Applied Blocks.
Animals : an open access journal from MDPI    December 6, 2023   Volume 13, Issue 24 3769 doi: 10.3390/ani13243769
Pfau T, Clark KS, Bolt DM, Lai JS, Perrier M, Rhodes JB, Smith RK, Fiske-Jackson A.Limited evidence is available relating gait changes to diagnostic anaesthesia. We investigated associations between specific movement patterns and diagnostic anaesthesia of different anatomical structures in a retrospective analysis. Referral-level lameness cases were included with the following criteria: presence of diagnostic anaesthesia of a forelimb and/or hind limb; subjective efficacy classified as "negative", "partially positive", or "positive"; quantitative gait data available from inertial measurement units. Gait changes were calculated for three forelimb (palmar digital, abaxial sesa...
The prevalence and risk factors of dental disease found in 100 miniature horses.
Frontiers in veterinary science    November 30, 2023   Volume 10 1239809 doi: 10.3389/fvets.2023.1239809
Tinsley T, Fogle C, Means E, Robertston J.Dental disease is a common condition affecting horses. Its prevalence and characteristics among most of the common breeds of horses and donkeys have been investigated and described in the literature, but information about the prevalence and etiology of dental disease of miniature horses is sparse. Unassigned: To determine the prevalence and characteristics of dental disease of miniature horses, we performed oral and dental radiographic examinations on 100 miniature horses. The findings of these examinations were analyzed to determine the prevalence of dental disease and its correlation to age,...
Trunk postural reactions to the force perturbation intensity and frequency during sitting astride in children with cerebral palsy.
Experimental brain research    November 28, 2023   doi: 10.1007/s00221-023-06744-0
Yan S, Park SH, Dee W, Keefer R, Rojas AM, Rymer WZ, Wu M.The purpose of this study was to examine kinematic and neuromuscular responses of the head and body to pelvis perturbations with different intensities and frequencies during sitting astride in children with CP. Sixteen children with spastic CP (mean age 7.4 ± 2.4 years old) were recruited in this study. A custom designed cable-driven robotic horse was used to apply controlled force perturbations to the pelvis during sitting astride. Each participant was tested in four force intensity conditions (i.e., 10%, 15%, 20%, and 25% of body weight (BW), frequency = 1 Hz), and six force frequ...
Increasing the milk productivity of Kazakh jabe horses.
Brazilian journal of biology = Revista brasleira de biologia    November 27, 2023   Volume 83 e277915 doi: 10.1590/1519-6984.277915
Sharapatov T, Assanbayev T, Shauyenov S, Aubakirov K, Iskhan K.The purpose of the study was to determine the milk productivity and chemical composition of the milk of mares of the Kazakh breed of the jabe type (KJ) and the Novoaltay-Kazakh crossbreeds of the 1st generation (NA x KJ) in the conditions of herd keeping. To determine the milk productivity of mares, 2 experimental groups were formed with a total of 30 mares, 15 individuals were selected in each group. The studied animals were formed according to the principle of pairs of analogues in the context of full-age groups from 5 to 11 years. Kazakh horses of the jabe type in the group of experimental ...
Effects of dietary camelina, flaxseed, and canola oil supplementation on plasma fatty acid concentrations and health parameters in horses.
Animal : an international journal of animal bioscience    November 17, 2023   Volume 17, Issue 12 101034 doi: 10.1016/j.animal.2023.101034
Burron S, Richards T, McCorkell TC, Trevizan L, Puttick D, Ma DWL, Pearson W, Shoveller AK.Camelina (Camelina sativa) is a hardy, low-input oilseed crop that provides a rich source of the n-3 fatty acid, α-linolenic acid (ALA). The primary purpose of the present study was to assess the effects of dietary camelina oil (CAM) consumption on various health parameters, as compared to horses fed canola oil (OLA) or flax oil (FLX). Secondly, to determine how dietary CAM, FLX, and OLA alter circulating plasma total lipids across time. Thirty horses, from three separate herds, were used for this study [14.9 years ± 5.3 years; 544 ± 66 kg calculated BW (mean ± SD)]. After a 4-wee...
Effects of an extended photoperiod on body composition of young Thoroughbreds in training.
The Journal of veterinary medical science    November 16, 2023   doi: 10.1292/jvms.23-0349
Ishimaru M, Okano A, Matsui A, Murase H, Korosue K, Akiyama K, Taya K.The effects of an extended photoperiod (EP) on body composition of Thoroughbreds colts and fillies from December at one year old to April at two years old were investigated. Seventy-three Thoroughbreds reared and trained in Hidaka Training and Research Center, Japan Racing Association, Hokkaido were used. Forty-one horses were under the EP conditions from December 20 to April 15, and the 32 horses were under natural light alone as the control group. Body weight (BW), rump fat thickness (RFT), fat free mass (FFM) and percentage of fat (%F) were used as parameters of body composition. The presen...
Subchondral bone sequestrum formation in the proximal intra-articular and osteochondral region of the third metatarsal bone of an Appaloosa mare treated for septic arthritis.
Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association    November 10, 2023   1-4 doi: 10.2460/javma.23.08.0476
Barton CK, Samol MA, Nelson BB, Piquini G, Smanik LE, Goodrich LR.To raise awareness of the potential for intra-articular subchondral bone sequestrum formation secondary to a traumatic or septic process to enable more rapid identification of this uncommon but possible outcome in future cases. Methods: A client-owned 12-year-old Appaloosa mare. Unassigned: The mare had a wound to the lateral aspect of the fourth metatarsal bone (MT4) that communicated with the distal tarsal joints. Radiographs revealed a displaced, comminuted fracture of MT4. Results: The horse underwent aggressive debridement of the wound and MT4 as well as, on 2 occasions, needle joint lava...